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    I hate the media

    No specific reason (although i can think of many), but they're typically a bunch of morally bankrupt, vicious, hate inciting, alarmist, controversy courting bunch of bastards...

    I honestly feel physically sick at times when you hear the **** they come up with in order to sell papers or attract viewers/listeners. Blood sucking ****ing leeches.

    Apologies for the (star laden) language, but they've got me really riled recently.
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    Re: I hate the media

    I'm with you on this one IBM, the UK media is repugnant.

    I wonder if other countries media, for example France, Germany, Spain or Italy, is the same?

    Do these countries have the same view of their country as we do? i.e. does the mass puplic believe everything is going to the dogs and blames political-correctness-gone-mad/eurocrats/local-variation-on-a-chav.

    I think the only way you can really answer that question is if you have lived in another country and understand the language enough to listen to the news and read their news papers.

    Really, it's something that really interests me. I have a sneeky feeling that the State Of The Nation isn't nearly as bad as we are led to believe by the mass media. Or that is if really is that bad, we are not along and the rest of western europe is in the same state.

    Of course, i could just be the eternal optimist here.

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    Re: I hate the media

    The media is a tool of the Government, pure and simple... it's up there with the religion, alcohol and sport as a way to keep the general population ignorant and entertained.

    Don't believe anything you read as there's always many sides to a story and only one ever gets reported (the one that will sell the most papers or get the most ratings )

    That's my view

    cynical? me?

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    Re: I hate the media

    don't bring alcohol into this
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    Re: I hate the media

    *cough* please define media?

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    Re: I hate the media

    our tabloids are far worse than most other nations papers when it comes to invading peoples lives illegitimately.
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    Re: I hate the media

    I'm with you IBM - it's amazing what goes on, and how much of an affect what gets printed in the papers has on peoples lives.

    Things like the many mysterious phone calls and meetings between Tony Blair and Mr Murdoch the night before certain "world events" (such as the UK's involvement in the invasion of Iraq) became public knowledge (that particular fact was initally denied, and it took a freedom of information request to find out about the meetings), and how mass media coverage of the impending recession has actually made things much worse and sped up that process (as if the papers are telling everyone "we're all going into recession! oh noes!" then people are bound to stop spending out of fear that it will happen, thereby making the recession a certainty..). I'm not for one second suggesting that Mr Murdoch was behind the invasion, or that the press controls the UK economy, but both facts are very interesting n'est pas?

    Its a difficult topic really because although I hate how much of the media works, without it we'd be worse off. Its such a shame that the press isn't there to report the news, its there to make money..and as such we never get the full, unbiased truth, and its left to us to dissect as much truth out of each story as we can.

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    Re: I hate the media

    Quote Originally Posted by tensim View Post
    The media is a tool of the Government, pure and simple...
    I don't get it. If they were a tool for the government, then surely they wouldn't be so hard on them all the time and would actually listen to what polititions have to say rather than tear them to shreds at every opertunity.

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    Re: I hate the media

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Its a difficult topic really because although I hate how much of the media works, without it we'd be worse off.
    Do you really think so?

    Do we really benefit from hearing about rapes and murders or how this person or that person thinks we are inevitably sliding into the pit of despair?

    I think a lot of the time it creates the situation as much as just reports it. Northern Rock may well have not been so bad if people hadn't been alarmed by the reports in the press and scared into queuing up outside the branches to withdraw their money.

    Frequently it just serves to get us used to the idea of bad things happening before they actually do.

    For example, if the energy companies suddenly put their prices up by 20% there would have been an uproar, but because the press warned us about it a couple of weeks before people just accept it because they were expecting it to happen.

    Personally I don't think we would be any worse off if the media disappeared overnight.
    It's not as if we can trust what we here. If we could then it might be of benefit but as it is I think it causes more problems than it solves.

    Quote Originally Posted by tensim View Post
    The media is a tool of the Government, pure and simple...
    Sometimes it seems as if it's actually the other way round.
    "Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative provided it does not tend to provoke violence. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having."

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    Re: I hate the media

    Quote Originally Posted by DR View Post
    *cough* please define media?
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    Re: I hate the media

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    I don't get it. If they were a tool for the government, then surely they wouldn't be so hard on them all the time and would actually listen to what polititions have to say rather than tear them to shreds at every opertunity.
    Ah, but it's WHO they shred and WHEN they do it... If you want an eye-opening look at how the national dailies, radio and TV news reporting really works, buy yourself a copy of the Private Eye... then you'll see not only what gets reported and how but WHY it's covered at that moment in time and in that style.

    Here's a quick off-the-top-of-my-head example:

    Daily Mail runs a report on how Polish tradesmen, (plumbers, builders etc) are great as they turn up when they say they will and do a full days work.

    A few weeks later they run another report about Polish tradesmen now being worse than British tradesmen for not turning up, charging just as much as British builders and then hiding behind a faked language barrier when you have a complaint... oh, and thieving stuff from your house or the materials you've paid for to do the work.

    The backstory: According to the Eye, someone fairly high up at the Daily Mail recently had a lot of building work done and was furious at the slur on the great British builder...

    I'll leave you to make your own minds up about whether that someone was left with a half-finished extension and a lot of pissed off builders until the second article came out...
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    Re: I hate the media

    What media is this? I like Panorama and stuff that exspose Narsty beasts.

    The papers? Yeah. They make a lot of peoples lives a misery and I agree they are parasites.
    But there are always a bunch of people trying to get into the papers and they usually get a lot help on the way up in the fame game. Er, before it rapes their soul, breaks their will to function normally and documents it for everyone to see. Evil, Evviiilllllll.

    Okay, who here does not give money to the media by buying one of their products?

    And media is a tool for the goverment, usually a disc that contains thousands of personel details of people on benefits that some asswipe leaves in public places.

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    Re: I hate the media

    Okay, so we have a media that isn't perhaps as socially responsible as it might be. But who's to blame? Why do they print scandals and salacious gossip? Why do they sensationalise so much.

    It's because you lot, as in the general public, BUY IT!

    If it's a scandal-written gossip rag that doesn't deserve to be in print, stop buying it. Oh, and I'm sure we all have far better taste than to buy these rubbish rags, but then, why would you want to deny the millions of people that clearly do want to buy their daily fix of rant-fodder the codswallop some papers serve up?


    Yes, for all it's faults, we're better off with the media we've got than with none at all, because for all the garbage that gets served up, they also shine the harsh glare of publicity on many things that we DO deserve to know about, not least the many shenningans of some of our elected representatives. Time and time again, political scandals come to light because they're exposed in the media by investigative journalists. Without at the very least the fear of probing journalistic eyes, I shudder to think what those in power would slide by us.

    For example, MPs expense allowances. Anyone think Margaret Beckett spending some £1300 of YOUR money on a pergola for her backgarden at her second home is a necessary expense incurred as part of her Parliamentary duties? Oh, and she tried for some £1900, but some of it got turned down. I mean wide-screen TVs (from the John Lewis list) and £10,000 kitchen refurbishments (Thanks, Blair ) are bad enough, but a flippin' pergola, for pities sake!

    MPs have now voted at least some amendments to this farcical system through, but only after being dragged, fighting, kicking and screaming in to doing so. Who believes they would have changed the status quo, rather than chugging along in comfortable obscurity, if it hadn't become a public issue, and it only did that because the media decided to make it one.

    Who, out there, thinks that they would have done this without pressure from the media pointing it out to us, the great unwashed. Who thinks that those politicians that have had to leave office because of the stunts they were pulling with OUR money would have left, were it not for publicity?

    And that's just one example, and while it might be an especially galling one, it's a pretty trivial one in the scheme of things.

    Given that they get up to what they get up to despite the current press, what would they do without them? For all it's faults, and God knows it got enough, a "free press" is the single greatest bastion of democracy. Yeah, we could do with a much better press, and personally, if the scandal sheets were consigned to the rubbish bin of history, not only would I not cry a single tear, but I'd whoop with joy.

    No, the media isn't perfect. But is there a better system for keeping people as honest as we can? Do we fund a body of inspectors out of taxes to do it? And if so, who appoints them? Government? And more relevantly, who fires them, and on what grounds?

    Any body that's going to seek to hold powerful people to account has to be sufficiently powerful itself to withstand pressure. It has to be both wealthy (or the law would be used to shut it down), and able to withstand more subtle and invisible forms of pressure. And what, besides publicising wrong-doing to the general public, would hold arrogant "leaders" to account?

    But don't class all media as the same. Because (as DR gently pointed out), they aren't. And, as far as the crass end of the market goes, they only do it because it works. They are, after all, businesses not a publicly-funded social conscience, and are extremely well-tuned to the public psyche - they serve up what large numbers of people want, and that is why they serve it up. So if you don't like the garbage, don't blame those that supply it, blame those that demand and buy it.

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    Re: I hate the media

    Well put Saracen. And it's not like we're actually short of pretty good quality media, be they papers, TV news or websites, to choose from either.

    So it really is your own fault if you don't like the standard of news you're reading, buy something different.
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    Re: I hate the media

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Okay, so we have a media that isn't perhaps as socially responsible as it might be. But who's to blame? Why do they print scandals and salacious gossip? Why do they sensationalise so much.

    It's because you lot, as in the general public, BUY IT!
    Absolutely true. I don't follow the news as much as I used to and now it's invariably via either Sky News (I know) or BBC 24. Obviously both have agendas* but I used to be a news junkie and now I'm weaning myself off it.

    A mate of mine has given up on mainstream and only buys Positive News which deals with stuff in the world that's not so mired in sleaze, suffering and misery. I think this is their website.

    (*Obviously, everyone and everything has an agenda but it's nice to read about the good things of the world, even when you're jaded, cynical, misanthropic old bugger like me.)

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