Can nobody stand up to Israel?

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How can you be foolish enough to imagine that a 'uni' education somehow is a mark of intelligence?

I didn't - I was mocking your assumption that no one apart from a small group of people (which happens to include you) are the only people with a valid opinion on foreign policy.
Talking about marks of intelligence - is advocating flattening a country one of them?

[Blitzen]

I didn't - I was mocking your assumption that no one apart from a small group of people (which happens to include you) are the only people with a valid opinion on foreign policy.
Talking about marks of intelligence - is advocating flattening a country one of them?

I didnt say i was the only one with a valid opinion on it.
I said i had 1st Hand opinions. It doesnt make them right and i grant you that. All i can do is speak as i found it rather than speak how it is drip fed to me from the media.

Your facts about WMD and 'constantly' invading arab nations is so far from the mark its just untrue!
- WMD's or not, have you seen how the government in Iraq treated normal civilians apart from the TV?
- The TV makes out that normal civilians in these countries didn't want the coalition forces there. THats simply untrue aswell for the VAST majority of people i came across.
- Which Arab nations are we constantly invading btw?
- Iran is a problem nation that historically is also a problem to the countries surrounding it. It also so happens that the way they are conducting themselves, they will turn out to be a threat to countries that are not neighbours aswell.

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I didnt say i was the only one with a valid opinion on it.
I said i had 1st Hand opinions. It doesnt make them right and i grant you that. All i can do is speak as i found it rather than speak how it is drip fed to me from the media.

Your facts about WMD and 'constantly' invading arab nations is so far from the mark its just untrue!
- WMD's or not, have you seen how the government in Iraq treated normal civilians apart from the TV?
- The TV makes out that normal civilians in these countries didn't want the coalition forces there. THats simply untrue aswell for the VAST majority of people i came across.
- Which Arab nations are we constantly invading btw?
- Iran is a problem nation that historically is also a problem to the countries surrounding it. It also so happens that the way they are conducting themselves, they will turn out to be a threat to countries that are not neighbours aswell.

I was talking about Israel with illegal WMDs/invasions of other countries.

IMO, Iran wouldn't be a problem right now if the UK and US hadn't deposed their democratically elected and secular government in favour of fundamentalist theocracy during the 1950s. That came right back to bite us in our arses.

[Andeh13]

edit; nevermind, i doubt seeing Isreal's point of view would end well for me!


edit2; But i will say that what Blitzen is saying sums up my feelings aswell.

[Blitzen]

That came right back to bite us in our arses.

It has.
So to that end, it needs dealing with.

The same thing happened in Afghanistan........

[danroyle]

i think the best opinion i have ever heard on the whole israel pallestine situation was in ZOHAN

he turns to his mum and says i want to be a hairdresser blah blah blah am fed up with the fighting.

and his mum turns round and says

"they've been fighting for 2000 years surely it will be over soon"

[AD-15]

I, for one, couldn't give a flying fig about Palestine or Iran. In fact, i hope that sooner or later, someone takes exception to the Iranian combativeness, and flattens the place.

Plenty of it already is? The rest is Asian.

I'm sorry, but that's quite ridiculous. Apart from being a blatant warmonger, have you considered the implications of an armed invasion of Iran? How about all the innocent people that would be killed. This kind of mentality is just like that of Bush.

I have spent the majority of my working life working around the Middle East in a military capacity and i can honestly say, i have seen what things are like 1st hand. Albeit not in Palestine, but definitely the like of the Gulf state countries.

Woah, hang on just a minute there. You're saying you've been to some Arab countries, but not the one we're actually discussing? Where is the relevance in that mate? I'm afraid such comments don't exactly work wonders for the credibility of your statements.

The gulf is as different as is possible to imagine from the situation in Palestine/Israel.

FYI, I myself have been all over Palestine/Israel, both recently and during the so called "peace-time" in 1999. I've seen the situation for myself. And yes, things are as grim as the (more reputable) news agencies make them out to be.

Your facts about WMD and 'constantly' invading arab nations is so far from the mark its just untrue!
- WMD's or not, have you seen how the government in Iraq treated normal civilians apart from the TV?
- The TV makes out that normal civilians in these countries didn't want the coalition forces there. THats simply untrue aswell for the VAST majority of people i came across.
- Which Arab nations are we constantly invading btw?
- Iran is a problem nation that historically is also a problem to the countries surrounding it. It also so happens that the way they are conducting themselves, they will turn out to be a threat to countries that are not neighbours aswell.

I'm not sure about the exact definition of what a WMD is, but let me tell you something. Israel had, in the 80's, an arsenal of at least 200 nuclear weapons. Despite the whistle-blower who get sentenced to 18 years (11 in solitary confinement) by Israel for exposing the secret program, the world did absolutely nothing. God knows how many weapons are hidden away at Dimona now. So Israel can have as large a nuclear arsenal as it likes, without declaring a thing, whilst the whole world is on Iran for simply having the capability to create a single weapon?

Further, Israel has already demonstrated it will use a range of hideous, inhumane weapons designed to maim and slowly kill. How about shrapnel explosives, and white phosphorus? Do you have any idea how terrible white phosphorus is?

As for Iran being a source of instability, Iran isn't the country that sparked a 6 decade long conflict.

"they've been fighting for 2000 years surely it will be over soon"

Apart from being completely incorrect, and representative of a common misconception, that's just not funny at all.

[neonplanet40]

Sooner we wipe out the middle east the better the world be.

/cry now

Your a muppet. Go get your head examined.

[shadowmaster]

Can nobody stand up to Israel?

Unfortunately even if they wanted to, they cant. Israel receives significant support from the USA and western Europe. Any UN resolution that is remotely against Israel's interests is instantly vetoed by the USA and the UK.

Also I'd like to add, after internal investigation on the war in Gaza, the IDF has concluded that it is one of the most moral armies in the world.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/baby...tigations.html

[AD-15]

Sooner we wipe out the middle east the better the world be.

I didn't know idiots came as stupid as this.

To add to shadowmaster's comments, I found this very interesting documentary on youtube. It's really very sad isn't it?

[neonplanet40]

LOL, you are easily baited and I caught two of you idiots, but I make my point, it is people like you who ruin the world with your endless cycles of all talk and no action, I despise you.

Seriously give over. You just look silly. If I was in any postition to do anything i would. All i can do is talk to local mp's and ask them but that won't do anything.

But yes, WERE the idiots and of course were ruining the world, *dam you caught me*!

[neonplanet40]

Irish, explains it.

Sorry? Care to explain?

Even better, how about you go **** yourself. Don't see what my nationality has to do with my opinions on the Middle East. Idiot.

[Whiternoise]

LOL, you are easily baited and I caught two of you idiots, but I make my point, it is people like you who ruin the world with your endless cycles of all talk and no action, I despise you.

*Troll spotted*

But seriously, comments like "the sooner we wipe them out the better" don't belong on this forum.

EDIT: Sorry

[tiggerai]

Iron Warrior - Your remarks are not welcome here at HEXUS - please make sensible, grown up contributions to these posts or you will find yourself banned.

We do not tolerate racist or offensive behaviour on these forums.

[AD-15]

hello,

I'm confused. Have there been some posts deleted?

[Funkstar]

Yes, all of IronWarriors contributions to this thread were removed.

I didn't see them, but you get the gist from the quotes.