Apollo Landing Sites Photographed by NASA

[jim]

Yeah I think that's by far the most compelling argument - Derek from down the road with his toy telescope can write a website and tell us all about how the shadows don't do this, and the flag flaps in the wind, so it can't possibly be true. The Russians though, even with some of the best technology of the day didn't notice that people hadn't actually landed on the moon.

There are conspiracy theories about the moon landings, about 9/11, about global warming, about WWII Nazi sympathisers in the USA and Britain, about the holocaust... the point is not so much whether any of them hold any water, but just that people like conspiracy theories - there's one about pretty much anything, and I think it's the direct result of people wanting to feel like they know something other people don't, that ability to stand up and say "everybody's wrong, and I know the real truth", and then they look for evidence. I'm not applying this to the people in this thread who express doubt, that's different, but people clearly want to believe an alternative truth and hence they find what they need to prove that alternative.

Oh yeah, just one thing - I don't understand your comment about reflectors on satellites Zak, are you suggesting that it could just have been crash landed onto the moon and didn't require any human intervention?

[Andeh13]

The Mythbuster's episode(season 7, ep 6ish i think) more or less settled it once & for all. They went through every one of the conspiracies that NASA didn't make it & debunked them all. No trickery, no confusing explanations and IMO no reason to believe otherwise.

Nasa went there, did that, got their t-shirts!

[TheAnimus]

I met Eugene Cernan last week, in the flesh.

I asked him what he thought of these consipiracists that manage to delude themselfs into beliving some crazy idea, discarding any evidence they disagree with and stating their lack of inteligent observations as hard facts that support their ideals.

I asked him about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

[Zak33]

It's a funny old world isn't it?

I'm not alowed my own view point it would seem. A kind few of you allow me my own view but attempt (nicely) to debunk it. Some just wash their hands of me, and call me a troll.
If I were looking to troll my own forum, I'd prolly find some other sightly more agumentative subject.

/sigh

I knew I shouldn't have told anyone nor admitted it to anyone. But as no one here is ever likely to GO to the moon, the'yre trusting people, and I like to trust people. But it need some essence of belief to start with.

Does anyone believe this?

A 38 year old man can't tell the time on an analogue watch. He CAN tell the time on a digital watch, but not oon an analogue watch, not fast. It takes him 30 seconds of hard concentration. But he CAN tel the time if there is no minute and second hand. Is that pure rubbish too?

[Funkstar]

A 38 year old man can't tell the time on an analogue watch. He CAN tell the time on a digital watch, but not oon an analogue watch, not fast. It takes him 30 seconds of hard concentration. But he CAN tel the time if there is no minute and second hand. Is that pure rubbish too?

I know a 29 year old that has exactly the same problem

[Phage]

I'd like to apologise if you felt slighted by that. I've been hanging around the wrong sort of people obviously. I disagree with your opinion, but you're completely at liberty to post whatever you wish.

[Zak33]

I know a 29 year old that has exactly the same problem

then there are 2 of us

[TheAnimus]

Zak33, get down to the sci mus whilst they still have their anniversary thing going on. There are plenty of staff who will engage in helping understand why the conspiracy theories just don't hold up.

The classic of the flag waving etc.

But as has been said before what about russia? Why would they have just kept silent about the whole thing?

[jim]

Zak33, get down to the sci mus whilst they still have their anniversary thing going on. There are plenty of staff who will engage in helping understand why the conspiracy theories just don't hold up.

The classic of the flag waving etc.

But as has been said before what about russia? Why would they have just kept silent about the whole thing?

Thing is though, unless I'm mistaken he didn't really say he went in for the conspiracy theories. More just that his gut instinct was that 1969 technology wasn't up to the task, given that even now it's a challenge.

The answer though is fairly obvious, I think. Roswell.

[Zak33]

snooty hits the nail on the head. It's not that I think along conspiracy lines. just that I don't see how it was possible as we're still struggling to do anything close now.

but I shall bow out of this one with some dignity left intat and ask that you alow disbelievers to live in their own little world... ie on the only ball of rock that any human has yet walked upon

[Funkstar]

Thing is though, unless I'm mistaken he didn't really say he went in for the conspiracy theories. More just that his gut instinct was that 1969 technology wasn't up to the task, given that even now it's a challenge.

My feeling on that are they were increibly lucky that it managed to work. The ods were probably astounding, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

To repeat it today would be very difficult, partly because we are far more risk averse. Which translates into the ods being far better for a successful mission.

So I don't doubt the human race did this, I just think it was a complete fluke we got to the moon and back again in one piece

[[GSV]Trig]

then there are 2 of us

3 of us

[[GSV]Trig]

But as has been said before what about russia? Why would they have just kept silent about the whole thing?

Because the US gave them access to the Stargate...

[Stringent]

I must say I am disappointed with those pictures. I expected something a lot better, we have satellites that can read headlines on newspapers, you would think they would have a decent camera on the orbiter.

[TheAnimus]

actually as to if we have satellites that can read newspapers from orbit? No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_imagery

The top secret government ones still suffer the same problem, enless someone has figured out a way of seeing through water without suffering any refraction!

Things like google earth use areal photogrophy as soon as it gets close.

[Disturbedguy]

snooty hits the nail on the head. It's not that I think along conspiracy lines. just that I don't see how it was possible as we're still struggling to do anything close now.

but I shall bow out of this one with some dignity left intat and ask that you alow disbelievers to live in their own little world... ie on the only ball of rock that any human has yet walked upon

I don't think you should have to back out to be honest Zak, you are entitled to your opinion and others have to live with it and deal with it, without resorting to petty name calling. (Not aimed at you phage)

Someone on the previous page, can't remember that person's name, don't care to either called those that believe the moon landing was a hox, are trolls. That's a harsh comment to make really, does that mean anyone that feel other happening's of the world, such as 9/11 are trolls?

I myself, don't believe it happened. And yes I have seen the Mythbuster's episode that basically shoots all the theories that it didn't happen out of the water. But then again, before the Mythbuster's episode I saw a program which proved a lot of thing's about just being in space for the moon landing were faked. Such as looking out of one of the windows (forgetting what its called), shadows being cast inside the shuttle or whatever that shouldn't have been cast, also when the volume of the video record was turned up, you could hear voices/ communcations that had no place.

Basically what I am saying is, for every reason someone comes up with for the moon landing being real, conspiracy theorist's will come up with a reason as to why it's fake, it will inevitably be a never ending circle until there is solid proof/ evidence that the landing's were real, or until we, if ever land on the moon again.