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    Board migration.

    The circulation of human life, opinions and ideas creates quite a small parameter for anything unique, everything has fundamentally become a copy of a copy.

    To delve even deeper, with the nature of our minds, it is theoretically impossible to manifest or even conceive anything that is completely original. An example of this would be to try and imagine a completely new colour, we can only play with the toys in our room.

    Are we thus subject to a progression of updates and alterations or is it actually possible to invent or create anything completely unique?

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    Re: Board migration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vetro View Post
    The circulation of human life, opinions and ideas creates quite a small parameter for anything unique, everything has fundamentally become a copy of a copy.

    To delve even deeper, with the nature of our minds, it is theoretically impossible to manifest or even conceive anything that is completely original. An example of this would be to try and imagine a completely new colour, we can only play with the toys in our room.

    Are we thus subject to a progression of updates and alterations or is it actually possible to invent or create anything completely unique?
    Basically are you trying to say that nothing is truly 'original'. I suppose that is true to some extent, most of what we create is basically an improvement, alteration or a mix of what was already there before.

    But what about one off pieces of art work or literature? Books, stories, paintings, etc?

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    Re: Board migration.

    Short answer is yes.


    Long answer:

    Since the dawn of time humans have had an innate ability to create(proceation and tools) and to improve hence us being the dominant species through slow but steady evolution, if we could go into a mind of an early Homo S. thousands of years ago we would still have endless possibilities and to ever improve our own existence as at that current period we assume we know most things but ultimately breakthroughs could/do still occur. We could wake up tomorrow to find that

    In the 17th century we again believed that we knew so much ranging the concept of gravity to the planets and our position in the solar system. Moving onto the 19th century where photography is very much real form of recording an event which at the time would seem to be an amazing discovery that could never be bettered. Darwin puts forth a model of the evolution of man and all creatures something that was never created merely pointed out in that sense humanity is unique (at least in our solar system Again another paradigm in the world and how we view it.

    Electricity goes beyond the conceptual stage and that must have been a wonder to experience the birth of something like that and then thinking "well it can't get any better than this can it?"

    The 20th century brought forth several huge medical procedures and equipment that were unique to the time as well as the industrial revolution of which the world had never seen before and steam locomotion and cars. Computers themselves have only really existed in the 20th which could definitely be called unique.

    Why did I post examples? Well for the moral being that until a GREAT change happens like the ones I've stated with the world and it's advancement we will always consider that it can't keep going but it does it's took us 400 years to get to this stage (as well as millions of years before that), imagine the wonder of the next 400 years will bring (As long as the LHC doesn't suck us into a black hole!)

    I would definitely agree that we are going through a rough patch in terms of advancement. Yet again I see robots and other emerging techonogies like nannomachines and A.I. I'm no future analyst but I'd take a large bet that within 25 years or less there will be some kind breakthrough that will be like electricity was to people back then or computing that will change our lives forever.

    It is easy to have the hindsight over someone 400 years ago just like the next 400 looking back and thinking we wern't so smart.

    I agree with Shadow that art, literaure, music and other crafts could well be considered as unique. Something that is completely made from the ground up is amazingly hard if you don't know what you're creating. (I want to make a car out of sausges!)

    Either nothing is unique because it stems from the inception concept or EVERY thing is unique. It's a bit glass half full or glass half empty

    On the flipside if there is a technology 'singularity' then the machines will have won.

    We welcome you our robot overlords.

    EDIT: If some of that doesn't fit then apologies my brain is misfiring!
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    Re: Board migration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vetro View Post
    or is it actually possible to invent or create anything completely unique?
    does ithave to be pretty or an if be butt ugly?


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    Re: Board migration.

    Stop thinking like such weak and feeble humans! Of course nothing's original, ultimately everything's comprised of collections of the same atomic and sub-atomic components. Anything we percieve to be is merely a complex arrangement the same old bits, so nothing can ever possible be original.
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    it's why we made the LHC I guess... which, as an aside, is out of action for a long while cos a magnet is boogered...

    it's in my sennhesier

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    Re: Board migration.

    Quote Originally Posted by vetro View Post
    to delve even deeper, with the nature of our minds, it is theoretically impossible to manifest or even conceive anything that is completely original. An example of this would be to try and imagine a completely new colour, we can only play with the toys in our room.
    grue!!

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    Re: Board migration.

    Does it matter? If I never create anything unique in my whole existence does that mean the existence was not worth having?

    Almost everything I do, and the way in which I perceive it is unique in one way or another. Laugh or cry every day is something new. Are we all to be defined by how unique we are? The sooner people realise they're not unique and just get on with enjoying who they are, the sooner everyone will be a lot happier.

    The symptom of a developed society....time to think about crap like this....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBM View Post
    The symptom of a developed society....time to think about crap like this....
    Back in the pitch black days when we were likely to be eaten by a Grue we would never have worried about it
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    Re: Board migration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    does ithave to be pretty or an if be butt ugly?

    Thats not completely unique, its a car based on several million cars before it.

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    Re: Board migration.

    I disagree with you about colours, I infact think everyone perception of colour is different in the way it affects us what we have it common is the wavelength frequency of the reaction. For example a few women have 4 colour detectors in eyes, as there are infact 2 different kinds of red detector genes. The reason this it is carried on the X chromosome, and female cells randomly turn off one of the two X genes. This affect you can see would make peoples perception of light very different there is also evidence that the frequency response of the receptors can vary as well. Perhaps next time your gf/wife says these colours don't match and you are sure they do, you will know she is also right as well as you! So I think its possible to say every colour is unique to every person, and while I can understand your reality I can only perceive mine.

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    Re: Board migration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vetro View Post
    Thats not completely unique, its a car based on several million cars before it.
    Not. A. Car.
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    Re: Board migration.

    Building slighty upon what oolon has said;


    If an alien race came to earth how would you describe to them the concept of the colour blue or infact ANY colour. Is this unique to us? Possibly. (This might blue-up blow up my face )

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