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    Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Quote Originally Posted by beeb
    The Lockerbie bomber is to be released on compassionate grounds, the Scottish Government has announced.

    Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, 57, was jailed in 2001 for the atrocity which claimed 270 lives in 1988.

    Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill revealed that the Libyan, who has terminal prostate cancer, would be allowed to return to his homeland
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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Will those 270 lives be given back on compassionate grounds too?
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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Total obscene, he should have been left to rot there! No compassion should be shown towards him in any way shape or form, thats 270 people not with us today because of him...and yet we show him compassion!?

    Someone told me the length of time he serves works out as about 2 weeks per person.
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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Well, as I expected then. And it stinks.

    Firstly, they announce this and within an hour or two, he's airborne on his way home. So no time for public outrage then, because it's a fait accompli.

    Secondly, it stinks of political expediency ..... he drops the appeal and promptly gets granted "compassionate" release. As per the Telegraph ...
    However, the Scottish Government insisted the decision had been reached "on the basis of clear evidence and on no other factors".
    Well, obviously I have no personal knowledge, but frankly, I do not believe it.

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    ....but frankly, I do not believe it.

    Is there much to believe about this government anymore? Id cards, the terms of the Iraq war (i was/am pro btw), MP's expenses and now this....it doesnt give you much faith in them does it?

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andehh View Post
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    edit; hit wrong button Saracen, didn't mean to thank you!
    That's easy to sort ... I've removed it.

    And I've reached the point where if our government predicted the Sun would rise in the East tomorrow, I'd probably start looking for it in the West, or North or anywhere but the East. And I'd wonder how their PR people were going to spin it, and what their real agenda in that announcement was?

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    If it wasn't for the other people on that plane, I would wish it to blow up on its journey....
    Naw, that's too quick. Needs to be slow and lingering. Something like.....hold on.....wait just one second....
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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    What an absolute joke.

    How stupid can a person be to let somebody like him go? He killed 270 people he should have never left jail. This countrys decision makers really shouldn't be allowed to make decisions.

    Ridiculous.

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    It raises all sorts of difficult questions though, since it was clearly political suicide to do this what was his motivation? Is there some hidden agenda that is yet to come out? Was he really a sacrificial goat given to the US to improve relations with them and did the real killers walk free?

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    It raises all sorts of difficult questions though, since it was clearly political suicide to do this what was his motivation? Is there some hidden agenda that is yet to come out? Was he really a sacrificial goat given to the US to improve relations with them and did the real killers walk free?
    I thought the same thing.

    It must have been abundantly clear what the public response to letting this guy go would be. The red tops will bloody love it. The Daily Mail will have a stroke.

    So what were the pressures on the people making this decision? I'm not sure I quite believe that he didn't actually do it, but something has really leant on this whole process.
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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    There has been a lot of quite detailed speculation that the Lockerbie outrage was the work of Iran.

    I don't know but this whole thing does stink.

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    This smells so bad I could wretch.

    In my own opinion he shouldn't of even lived long enough to get prostate cancer, but that's another discussion. At the very least for ending the lives of so many innocent people, he should of spent the rest of life in a small dark hole.

    No-one who died on that day was given such consideration.

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    It raises all sorts of difficult questions though, since it was clearly political suicide to do this what was his motivation? Is there some hidden agenda that is yet to come out? Was he really a sacrificial goat given to the US to improve relations with them and did the real killers walk free?
    I can't see how it's going to improve relations with the US. It's more likely to worsen them. Most American victim's families seem aghast and horrified by his release, and the US government did about everything they could to stop the release, short of invading Scotland. Hilary Clinton publicly and pretty strongly opposed it, and so did White House statements. They were pretty explicit remarks, not the usual mealy-mouthed political double-speak ..... and overtly saying that kind of thing at all, let alone vehemently, can be seen as interfering with the internal operations of another (and friendly ally) state, merely coming out in public like that rather than sending behind-the-scenes statements is a statement in itself, IMHO.

    Personally, I'm more inclined to think that the actual deal was about getting compassionate release in exchange for abandoning the appeal process. Maybe there's reason to think the appeal would have been successful, or just politically embarrassing, and that compassionate release was politically more acceptable than losing, or looking like they're going to lose, the appeal. This was ... no appeal. So a bomber remains convicted, and some sort of justice is seen to be achieved. But if the appeal had been successful, the government would have been back in the position of nobody ever being held properly to account.

    In fact, despite generally being highly sceptical about conspiracy theories, I almost start to wonder if al-Megrahi's constant protestations of innocence might not have had foundation. After all, getting someone to pay the price for Lockerbie was absolutely critical in any chance of Colonel Gaddafi being rehabilitated in to the world community, and to relations between Libya and the US, and the West in general, and it's patently clear that he wanted that. So, perhaps al-Megrahi was served up by Libya as the sacrificial lamb. If so, I'd certainly hope our government didn't know that at the time of the trial .... but suppose it has subsequently been made clear to them that it was the case? If they'd been put on the spot of either releasing him on compassionate grounds, or ending up facing an appeal with some convincing evidence that al-Megrahi was merely a political patsy for the Libyan government, they're between the rock and a hard place. And this way, that risk goes away.

    Of course, this is all merely speculation, but I repeat what I said earlier ... I just don't believe the official version. I don't know what did happen, but I don't believe it is as it's being portrayed. We're being sold a bill of goods on a par with Blair's dodgy dossier, and this time, I for one am not buying it.

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    If al-Megrahi is the Lockerbie bomber, I'm Father Christmas.

    The scandal isn't that he's being let out, it's that a man has had the final ten years of his life unjustly taken away for a crime he didn't commit.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/ma...ockerbie.libya

    ...for a start. Private Eye have covered his farce of a trial at some length, and the frankly disgusting way that the government have refused to make crucial evidence available to al-Megrahi's defence team for his appeal. The whole affair absolutely stinks. I hope that the likes of the courageous Jim Swire continue to press for the truth after al-Megrahi's release.

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    Re: Kenny MacAskill Political Career is Over!

    I agree with Rave.
    It alway struck me a very convenient that one man was found to be responsible.

    And even if he was guilty aren't we better than that? An eye for an eye? We like to think that we're a compassionate society. Should that be thrown away just because someone else doesn't show compassion?
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