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    Turing: Brown apologises

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8249792.stm

    This is great news, although i must admit i was unaware of the extent to which he was treated, resulting in his tragic suicide.
    This is late, but very welcome.

    Edit: And here was our post for the petition! Yay hexus!
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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    I was just about to post this too. Well done PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
    So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely thanks to Alan's work I am very proud to say: we're sorry, you deserved so much better.

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Nice one Mr. Brown!

    There's a statue of Alan Turing in Manchester btw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing_Memorial

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Next up, Iraq.
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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    There is a rather nice statue of Turing at Bletchley Park too. To commemmorate the work he did...

    which leads me rather nicely onto...

    The 3rd Annual Bletchley Park HEXUS meet.

    http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-social...er-2009-a.html
    I've read an Autobig of Turing... he was a phenomenal man.

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Yes, the Brown man got a little Kudos from me when I read that this morning

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Quote Originally Posted by M0nkeyb0Y View Post
    Yes, the Brown man got a little Kudos from me when I read that this morning
    Why?

    It's political self-interest. It's a "news" story, gets him a bit of positive coverage and as the original event is 50 years in the past, it can't possibly stick to him as having any culpability in the first place.

    Yes, it's good Turing finally got an apology and I'm delighted, if it's just several decades late. And we can't even really blame other governments for not having acted earlier as I doubt many if any in government even knew about it before this campaign.

    We can't even really blame the government at the time, as to do so, we'd have to judge by our own standards of today and they didn't have those standards.

    Turing was a great if largely (publicly) unrecognised thinker, up there (IMHO) with the Isaac Newtons, Brunels and Einsteins of their respective times, made a significant contribution to the war effort in WW2 (the size of which we'll probably never really know, but a lot of people probably owe him their lives without ever knowing it), and what happened to him was horrible. But it was a symptom of standards of the times, and I'd bet both my nuts that we, today, are doing things that future generations will look back of with dismay and disgust, because their standards will be different to what we accept as the norm.

    But Kudos for Brown? I don't see it. This move is all political upside, carries a zero political cost or risk, and is a political no-brainer. It's a bit of a godsend for him that he can find a way to get in the news when he's not at the pointy end of criticism or controversy, be it over one hot potato or another, or his inept economic management. He must have thought his birthday and Christmas have all come at once this year.

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Why?

    It's political self-interest. It's a "news" story, gets him a bit of positive coverage and as the original event is 50 years in the past, it can't possibly stick to him as having any culpability in the first place.

    Yes, it's good Turing finally got an apology and I'm delighted, if it's just several decades late. And we can't even really blame other governments for not having acted earlier as I doubt many if any in government even knew about it before this campaign.

    We can't even really blame the government at the time, as to do so, we'd have to judge by our own standards of today and they didn't have those standards.

    Turing was a great if largely (publicly) unrecognised thinker, up there (IMHO) with the Isaac Newtons, Brunels and Einsteins of their respective times, made a significant contribution to the war effort in WW2 (the size of which we'll probably never really know, but a lot of people probably owe him their lives without ever knowing it), and what happened to him was horrible. But it was a symptom of standards of the times, and I'd bet both my nuts that we, today, are doing things that future generations will look back of with dismay and disgust, because their standards will be different to what we accept as the norm.

    But Kudos for Brown? I don't see it. This move is all political upside, carries a zero political cost or risk, and is a political no-brainer. It's a bit of a godsend for him that he can find a way to get in the news when he's not at the pointy end of criticism or controversy, be it over one hot potato or another, or his inept economic management. He must have thought his birthday and Christmas have all come at once this year.
    Blimey.

    Why? Well the PM apologising for the treatment of Turing was a positive event. It represents how our country has changed in its attitudes to homosexuality, and provides some recognition to the thousands who were treated as inhumanely as Turing during that period.

    I also think it was something that could have been easily ignored, and also (as far as I know) drew very little media attention, so hardly a PR coup for the PM.

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    These apologies are meaningless, and I agree entirely with Saracen.

    Brown had no role in the matter, nor did anyone in this administration, or the one before that. Saying sorry for something you had no hand in is just a self serving political manoeuvre.
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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Yup, as I said when the petition thread came up, any appology given will be purely about political points scoring.

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    But Kudos for Brown? I don't see it. This move is all political upside, carries a zero political cost or risk, and is a political no-brainer. It's a bit of a godsend for him that he can find a way to get in the news when he's not at the pointy end of criticism or controversy, be it over one hot potato or another, or his inept economic management. He must have thought his birthday and Christmas have all come at once this year.
    Not really. If Brown wanted to win votes in the nerd community, he'd just lower the price of spectacles and haircuts. This is jsut him doing what's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbirds View Post
    Not really. If Brown wanted to win votes in the nerd community, he'd just lower the price of spectacles and haircuts. This is jsut him doing what's right.
    Sorry but that's just stereotypical rubbish and it makes me mad that this kind of narrow minded thinking is what we have passing for a mindset in this country.

    If Brown wants to win the nerd vote he needs to lower the price of shower gel and deodorant.

    Please get your facts right in future.
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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    If Brown wants to win the nerd vote he needs to subsidise the i7
    Fixed that for you

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    I got the email from the "Govenment" cos I signed on the online "petition" thaqt was posted here a while ago.

    So I thank Mr Brown's News and Spin Dept for their kind words. Shame we had to bring to to his attention in the first place, but that man HAS got a lot of work on and he HAs said sorry when we asked him too.

    Of course, he never replied when I signed the petition, on the same web site, to force PayPal to get dragged under the same rules and regulations that all other Banks have to perform within, but hey ho....

    But I AM glad that someone, prolly NOT Mr B himself, read it and dealt with it.

    What was more saddening was how long it took to sort out the LIVING issues of the Gurkhas... fact is the apology to Mr Turing was FREE of CHARGE.. it cost only a few hours wording. Sad innit?

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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Sorry but that's just stereotypical rubbish and it makes me mad that this kind of narrow minded thinking is what we have passing for a mindset in this country.

    If Brown wants to win the nerd vote he needs to lower the price of shower gel and deodorant.

    Please get your facts right in future.
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    Fixed that for you
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    Re: Turing: Brown apologises

    Quote Originally Posted by blackbirds View Post
    Not really. If Brown wanted to win votes in the nerd community, he'd just lower the price of spectacles and haircuts. This is jsut him doing what's right.
    It's got nothing to do with the nerd community - it's about him doing something that gets him positive coverage in times when that's nearly impossible for him to do, and on a subject that has zero current political relevance. It's about him taking an opportunity of getting his face on the evening news, putting in an appearance and "saying sorry" when nobody can blame him for what he's saying sorry for.

    I don't believe for an instant that he gives a flying fig about Turing, or about mistreatment or injustices that are now an inconsequential historical quirk to all but Turing's family and a few enthusiasts. Yes, it's good that Turing gets more recognition, and yes, the way he was treated was atrocious (though typical of the times), but it's not going to alter a darned thing today.

    Gordon "McCavity" Brown has been noticeable by his absence for weeks when there's been any number of issues on which we'd expect our PM to have an opinion and take a lead, yet when Parliament recessed he stayed buried out of sight on just about every issue, except where he could do a bit of preening, such as tripping out of a helicopter in an "impromptu" visit to the troops in Afghanistan .... which, incidentally, is also about being seen supposedly doing something, and not about visiting the troops.

    Still, at least whichever spin doctor prompted this has a bit more brains than the numpty that thought up that facebook farce of Browns.

    Remember, Brown is running (into the ground) a party that;s going to be facing a general election in a maximum of not much over 6 months, and the election posturing and positioning has already started, albeit on a fairly low key basis. Also remember that Labour are facing a HUGE polling deficit, and Brown's personal ratings aren't so much in the toilet as buried about a mile deep down a mineshaft. You can be pretty much assured that ANYTHING he does between now and next May/June will be done with at least one eye on the electoral impact, if not both eyes. Of course it was a PR stunt. It was a free gift ... an opportunity to preen for the cameras with no political downside. If his team could find the subjects, they'd have him doing that several times a day for the next 6 or 8 months. It's the modern televisual equivalent of politicians kissing babies ..... and similarly nauseating.

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