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wazi (13-09-2009)
Yes - let's take a stand to prevent our language being destroyed!!
By the way, it's:
- borders
- languages
- cultures
- Muslims
- America's
- lose
- its
- thinks
Brucelles (15-09-2009)
The thing as there are groups who have stated their goal is a total conversion of the UK, there need to be groups which oppose that view. Most people, and all the Islam followers I know would not like the idea of having Sharia law introduced to the UK, yet there are a very vocal few who are calling for it.
As a result there needs to be protest against people who protest for it. The problem is the people involved all to often seam to just be millwall fans.
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First of all, I don't like what they stand for, but I believe they have a right to exist.
Oh yes of course. The muslim guys I work with are always telling me how much they hate people that don't follow islam. Fatwa this, infidel that. Constantly. It's not like they're friendly or supportive or accepting of other peoples cultures. They've even converted the toilets into a Mosque! No... wait...
If you're going to spend an inordinate amount of time searching Google for the keyword "Muslim" or "Islamification" to find already existing threads on new messageboards to post your flawed opinions (how much time do you spend doing that?), then at least make yourself look slightly less unintelligent by spelling the names of these supposed evil things correctly.That mentality presents an imminent threat against western civilization. If we are not willing to fight for our culture and heritage, then we might as well have beard patrols, and put our wives and daughters into burk-as now.
An effective stand then? Was that really supposed to be something to support your argument?The world may not have liked George Bush, but he took a stand against radical Islam, even though under his administration more Muslim's migrated to the U.S. than at any other time in our short history.
It needs to lose peace, huh? Yep - everyone loves war! But wait, we should stop being nice to violent people? Pro war? Anti violence? *facepalm*Europe needs to loose it's PEACE and HUG-A-THUG mentality, and fight against the invasion of your Nations.
I doubt it.This is just what one guy in Texas think's.
Look - I've had disagreements with people on "Islamification" before, but quite often some of them have put up coherent arguments that, although I've disagreed with, have at least made sense and they have illustrated that they've put some thought into it. I've been against their opinions, but respected the way they put them across.
However, your 'argument' is so lop-sided, fickle and confused I almost think that your message was posted by a Muslim organisation to make the far right look stupid
Anyway, I have no intention to continue arguing with someone who really doesn't understand the point of reasoned political debate; it's just going to go on forever, and it's like shooting racists in a barrel.
Yours in Allah,
Mike
load of paraniod people , comes down to the tribes scenario no diffrent than football voilence on a saturday after noon with one group thinking they are the superior tribe !!!!
people seem to have small memories about the crusades which swept across europe etc with the sword making people convert !!!! also conqistadors who killed a lot of people in the name of the lord !!!!
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we are more free in the uk than we are in the usa their policy of freedom of speech is just chat !!
land of the free ??? yeah right !!!
sikhs , hindus , muslims have fought for this country in both world wars !!
infact in the second world war became the largest volunteer force with over 2.5 million men
this group will pick on one group for now and then switch on to another ethnic group, just beacuse one particular religion is a bitmore practicing than another it causes problems to people who are not very religious ( unless its xmas ) the funny thing is jesus and all other men of the books were of middle eastern decent ie. they had dark/olive skin and when u get people who for some strange reason have pictures of them looking anglo-saxon it always makes me smile
LIVE AND LET LIVE , simplesstop the paranioa
life is too short ( or you got too much time to be moaning my someone else is getting more dole money than you, get a life !!!!)
Here's a question for you, do any of you socialise outside of your own ethnic group? I don't mean just being friendly with the people you work with, but genuinely take part in other cultures?
I've always wondered whether someone can be genuinely multi-culturalist, or whether the best we can hope for is not to hate each others differences too much.
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This is bunny and friends. He is fed up waiting for everyone to help him out, and decided to help himself instead!
the so called "Anti Nazi" groups are an extreme right wing bunch of idiots and are so far to the right the are in fact closer to being national socialists then the BNP and the like.
they are all idiots.
as for the islamicication of europe, its a bit late too stop! the 2nd most popular boys name in the UK is Muhammad. but if you look at the "official figures" it does not even make the top ten
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/special...names_boys.asp
due to the fact that the different spellings keep it from entering the "official top 10" year after year.
I've said it before and ill say it again. major civil unrest is only a generation away! I for one am off on the first plane to Brazil the second it kicks off.
we have a spelling hitler!!!
Despite what some people might imply, there is no one Islam – every mosque, every cleric my mean different interpretation of supposedly the same words. There is none, official head of Islam that would introduce universal, commonly respected Fatwa.
Unfortunately for all of us, the ‘moderate’ Muslims seem still more emotionally connected with radical Muslims than non-believers, and personally, I do not see them officially standing against the fundamentalists yet. Would all ‘the moderate Muslims’ report immediately the ‘bad apples’ to the Police? They have got to know the radical ones, they speak to them, they eat together, they all pray in the same mosques…
At this point, I do see the point why we should not treat all Muslims as a homogeneous group and we should give support to the open-minded ones…but we should openly, loudly talk about the problems, Muslims have got to start listen the criticisms and start to ACT. The difficult issue cannot remain politically incorrect and too sensitive....Most people, Muslims as well as non-Muslims agree that radical Islam has no place in contemporary Europe, but this job, has to be done mostly by Muslims themselves. They have to take the responsibility !
@Lucio, Yes, I have tried to get closer to Muslims, I would not like to be scared something I do not know…and my personal experience tells me, that there are no problems with highly educated Muslims and it’s an extremely difficult task while dealing with the less educated part of the society .In that case, there is still a thick line between ‘us’ and ‘them’ and we, ‘infidels’, are second class people . I would say, that some of them were even more racist than BNP and I have experienced it myself.
Obviousy ,there are some exceptions - the Glasgow's Airport attackers worked as doctors
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Brazil, orly?
Some people don't realise how good we have it in this country.
~'Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence--those are the three pillars of Western prosperity'~ Aldous Huxley
radicalisation is everywhere and in every religion ( catholics and protestants included ) its not just for muslims the only way to deal with these problems is by education , every action has a re-action just look at IRAQ ( WOT DID SADDAM HAVE TO DO WITH SEP 11 ??? AND WHERE ARE THE WMD'S)
its kinda easy for people to become radicalised one way or the other , so you give the radicals amunition to add to their weapons to fire into youngsters and fill them with hate, that is where this problem comes from and will it go away ?? foreign policy at the moment is very biased and at the heart of al the problems is PALESTINE it is a weapon that the radicals use time and time again because it is a clear bias and has been for 40+ years
britains foreign policy has created many hot beds of violence and terrorism in the world ( KASHMIR,PALESTINE,NORTHERN IRELAND,now IRAQ,AFGAHINSTAN)
if you live in any of the above places and have seen family loved ones killed do you think you will have a chip on your shoulder ??? i think it will be a very big one !!!!
kids that are born into these kind of hostilaties will be very very angry with some that anger will grow , you wil definately see a terrorist time bomb in few years to come !!! these are the problems wot is the anti-dote ??? ITS EASY FOR THE RADICALLS TO BRAINWASH fresh young brains with hate
remeber wot sow is wot your reap !!!
education is the key to the problems
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Brazil, orly?
Some people don't realise how good we have it in this country.
you dont kow how true that is !!!!
There IS a difference - Radical Catholics, Protestants, Jewish do not place bombs in public communication or hijack planes full of people and crash them in the name of God etc. There is no excuse for acting like that, no matter Palestina or any other place
I do agree with you, involvement of the West in Iraq was not required but I have nothing to do with foreign policy of the UK (as most people living in this country) and I do not want to be affected by somebody who thinks it is totally wrong.
Well, ethnicity and culture are not the same thing.
But I've got really brown second-generation immigrant and avowedly muslim friends that I've gone boozing and chasing women with on countless occasions over the 20-odd years I've known them. If by 'taking part in other cultures' you mean going for a curry with them, yes I've done that too
Are things really all that different in Hemel (which is not at all far from where I live)? Is it normal for everyone to divide on strictly ethnic lines, with all immigrants spending their leisure time frantically praying while the natives sing along with Chas and Dave down the ol' rub-a-dub?
wow so all the bombs that went off in UK ie birmigham london omagh etc.... that were supposedly been done by I.R.A were really done by muslims ????
and all bombs planted by E.T.A or BASQUE SEPRATISTS were actually done by muslims ....
and mossad /shin bet etc..... never have assisnated or planted bombs and killed innocents ....... either wow...
im stunned with that statement
the diffrence with the modern suicide bomber is that he belives that wot he is doing is 100% right ( which is not , if you read and look into islam you will find that suicide is a very very NO NO)
and he is willing to give his life for the cause wotever that is , that is the diffrence !!!
like i said EVERY RELIGION HAS BAD APPLES !!!!!
interesting point, i have a friend at work who i am close with but she can never come out on a work nite out, she is not allowed although she would like to. the interesting thing is she is allowed to go to the Mosque on her own..
she has never drunk alcohol as she says it has no interest for her, but yet looks forward to being allowed to try it when she goes to heaven! i always want to tell her my opinions but for the sake of our friendship i STFU!
All the organizations mentioned by you fight for independence/separation (obviously I do not like the fact they kill innocent people) .At least in theory, they might consist of people of all religions or be atheist as the religion is not criteria of entry the organisation.
What do the al-Qaeda's guys fight for? Can Jewish, Christian or Atheist join al-Qaeda , being able to find a common ideology if Americans with coalition are their enemies, Jews are enemies, ‘infidels’ are enemies so who is the friend ?
That’s why I think we talk about Islamists and not Christianists
I absolutely agree with your characteristic of modern terrorist but I also think that moderate, ‘westernized’ Muslims should be far more involved in removing their 'bad apples' instead of keeping to repeat that Islam is a religion of peace...
Sorry for my English, I try hard
INTERESTING ARTICLE with a lot of interesting comments
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