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    Unoins and Bob Crow

    So bob crow was in the metro today, which sounds like a bad mix to start with.

    It gets worse:
    http://e-edition.metro.co.uk/2009/09/16/10.html (just use any old addy, its instant access)

    When asked, what is a fair salary for a train driver, he appears to suggest £50k.

    Most teachers don't get that, and have far more responsability.

    Then when asked if by his own definition of money not having to do with been working class but in fact:
    "If he or she has to come to work and take orders from an employer, they are still a worker".

    OK. So he is then asked if a banker in the city earning £1M is still a worker?
    "The people who camble money are not workers. They are part of the ruling class."

    Intresting Mr Crow. Bankers work for their immeidate boss, trading in areas that are controlled and inspected by their senoirs. Surely if your not chair of the board, you have to be a worker?

    He then goes on to completely miss-understand the idea of an economy, workers normally get less pay, when a company makes less money and more pay when the good times happen. Espesually those who are equity incentivised to work too. (like most city boys)

    Up until my current job, I was always a worker, my immaturity and general geek personality ment i never wanted to be a people (yuckie awful things) manager. Even when I was running multi million dollar projects, I was by his definition a worker, just getting things done, code written, hardware designed etc, combine this with my basic salary been below his idea of the worth of a train driver.

    What he fails to address, is why someone like me isn't driving trains, i'm a geek, so therefore would love driving trains, i've still not forgiven my parents for not letting me set up my train set when we moved when i was 11. I'd absolutely love it. Compared to writing software to watch the intersection of curves whilst having to learn yet more about statistics. Not to mention the massively shorter hours, health n safety wouldn't let you make a train driver do more than what, 60 hours a week? I was doing over 80 at one point in my old role.

    The company I used to work at are still having problem finding/retaining staff, even offering double the basic I had. So they will have to offer more, target garrenteed bonuses perhaps.

    London underground have some insain number of applications for been a train driver. Try it, send you CV in and see how far you get!

    That means the job is overpaid, or over benefited, or just too attractive.
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    Re: Unoins and Bob Crow

    Yeah, Crow is a ******, however it's absurd to suggest that train drivers have less responsibility than teachers. They're driving a vehicle with hundreds of people on board and they're in charge of their safety.

    IMO tube and train drivers get a fairly generous wage and they shouldn't moan. I was a bus driver until I got promoted. I used to have to pilot a vehicle with up to 85 people on board- in which case many of them would be standing up- along busy city streets avoiding boy racers, minicab drivers and dopey pedestrians, while occasionally being abused by people who thought the service should be free and didn't like paying for tickets. I had to finish some late shift weeks at 2am and start a day and a half later at 4am for an early shift week. For that my basic wage would have been about £28k I think. I did a fair bit of overtime in my last year as a driver and made £32k. That's a bit less than the median wage for London, which is about £36k.

    Tube drivers make £36k for a 36 hour week IIRC. Yes they work shifts, but they don't have to work a steering wheel to avoid all the numpties on the road. As a union man and someone who believes in a fair day's pay for a hard day's work, I have little sympathy for them. They earn enough.

    What I find interesting is that it's still not hard to get a job as a bus driver. You get paid to train, and if you put in the hours you'll get paid better than pretty much any other job you can walk into with little more than a driving licence. And yet lots of people I've suggestd it to won't even countenance it as a job. More fool them, I reckon.

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