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    evening all. i have a question

    if the police stop your car and you have your relevant documents with you in the car, do they have to accept these at the time, or can they still insist you go to your nearest police station to produce them?

    reason i ask is, my workplace closes at 11pm so any out of hours maintainence has to be done after 11pm, as a result i'm frequently driving home in the dead of night. i quite often get followed home by a police car & have occasionally been stopped

    i'm on site tonight till about 2:30am and given that today was the wales vs england rugby, i'd expect the chances of me getting pulled on the way home are fairly high. having to go to the nearest station is a pain so i was going to take my documents with me....if i have them can i insist they sort it there & then or are they within their rights to send me to the nearest station anway?
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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    so long as you can prove who you are you do not need any more documents as they already know if your MOT'd, taxed and insured long before they pull you over.

    so long as you got your drivers licence with you I wouldn't worry.

    I have not had to produce documents after showing my photo licence to the filth.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    I thought you had 7/14 days to provide anyway? I think the only real thing was proving identity. The tax/insurance/MOT they can pull up from a database with the ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) and it will also flag if it's registered as stolen etc.
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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    I'm pretty sure a 'producer' would only be issued if you couldn't provide anything there and then. If you have valid docs with you I can't see what is to be gained by still requiring you to report to a police station, unless you're rude to the cops and they take a dislike to you.

    In these days of ANPR and insurance/MOT/tax databases being almost instantly interrogable (as far as I can tell), as GoNz0 says they can find out whether you're legal very rapidly. A few months ago I got pulled over in what appeared to be a tax disc checkpoint, while driving my mum's slightly dented and rather dirty P-reg Clio. So I stopped, turned off the engine, got out, lit a fag and looked around enquiringly. A chap who appeared to work for the DVLA or similar commented to the cop who'd told me to pull in "I can't see anything wrong here?" (or similar). The cop replied "I thought we'd stop this one for a condition check" (translation- "we're bound to find something wrong with this heap of crap"). So after checking all four tyres (two were new, other two had 5mm+ of tread), the cop asked me my name, and who the car belonged to. They then got on the radio and asked for a list of people named as insured drivers on the car- what with my mum, two brothers, and mum's two friends I think I was sixth (and presumably last) on the list! And with that, they let me on my way, no producer or anything else required.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    I once got pulled over for driving too slowly over a speed bump, I had my license on me etc but still had to produce my docs at the police station (I had to go twice because the first time the womon on the desk didn't know how to check!)

    I also once got pulled over for having no insurance and they said they where going to take my car off me and force me to walk home. I did try and talk but they told me to be quiet.

    I had my valid insurance docs on me at the time. They didn't say sorry and wouldn't even shake my hand when I put it out! I was in my work stuff, suited and booted as well.
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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I also once got pulled over for having no insurance and they said they where going to take my car off me and force me to walk home. I did try and talk but they told me to be quiet.

    I had my valid insurance docs on me at the time. They didn't say sorry and wouldn't even shake my hand when I put it out! I was in my work stuff, suited and booted as well.
    Should have taken their shoulder numbers and put a complaint in- rude little sods. The police are there to serve the public, and a few of them need to be reminded of that fact from time to time.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I once got pulled over for driving too slowly over a speed bump, I had my license on me etc but still had to produce my docs at the police station (I had to go twice because the first time the womon on the desk didn't know how to check!)

    I also once got pulled over for having no insurance and they said they where going to take my car off me and force me to walk home. I did try and talk but they told me to be quiet.

    I had my valid insurance docs on me at the time. They didn't say sorry and wouldn't even shake my hand when I put it out! I was in my work stuff, suited and booted as well.
    Should have got their badge numbers mate, and gone straight to IPCC. I hate coppers like that.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    firstly, to the OP, most tpol will let you go on your way if you've got documents to prove your ID/insurance, tax and MOT details (amongst others?) are stored on their database (there'll be people who know more about this than me).

    I would, however, advise against arguing should they request you produce at a local station, it's little inconvenience and I try to avoid ruffling their feathers wherever possible.

    in regards to the other issue of arrogant coppers raised, it's tough, but it happens and the best thing you can do in that situation is just keep quiet, nod and smile and take their numbers. Report them to the station and hope they get repremanded as a result. Sadly, if you start arguing at the roadside with a pair of police officers, the odds are you'll lose. It sucks, but it's happened far too many times for me to mention.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    Quote Originally Posted by finlay666 View Post
    I thought you had 7/14 days to provide anyway?
    my point is not wanting to do it at all regardless of how much time i'm given, nearest police station is the middle of town & i really don't want the inconvenience of it

    rave's tale sounds familiar too! i drive a battered old N reg 306 and (so i've been told) i look slightly "dodgy" so if anyone's gonna get stopped its usually me, hence my wish to be prepared
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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    Quote Originally Posted by Rave View Post
    Should have taken their shoulder numbers and put a complaint in- rude little sods. The police are there to serve the public, and a few of them need to be reminded of that fact from time to time.
    I say we demand the government sets aside 1 day a year for this.

    This day will be February the 14th, might as well make the day more fun.

    On this day, the police will be required to stand in convenient place in the area they serve whilst the public pelt them with eggs, rotten fruit and veg.

    Obviously anyone throwing anything dangerous would be hauled away for a good drubbing by the coppers later.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    I've only ever been stopped by the police when I had the Golf, admited I was driving at 1am, with a group of my friends loaded into the car taking them home after an evening playing RPG's.

    The police were nothing but polite with me though, took my driving license, waited for the PNC checks to come back and waved me on my way. I even joked with them that I wasn't surprised they stopped me, we must looked well dodgy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singh400 View Post
    Should have got their badge numbers mate, and gone straight to IPCC. I hate coppers like that.
    To be honest mate their job must be a nightmare round here, I feel sorry for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    To be honest mate their job must be a nightmare round here, I feel sorry for them.
    Well, you shouldn't. The police are in the main well paid, partly because it's expected they'll get hassle on a regular basis. I drove a bus around South/ South East London for 20 months- from Croydon, into areas like Penge, Peckham, and Streatham, and I got more or less constant hassle from fare dodgers, drunks, teenage 'gangstas' etc.. I got covered in a raging punter's blood once, got spat at a couple of times, and covered in soft drinks twice. And I never took it out on my decent, paying customers.

    At the end of the day, as a law-abiding civilian you are a customer of the police. And if they stop you, muck you about for no reason, and then are rude and dismissive that's simply not good enough. I didn't particularly object to being stopped in my car, and I deliberately lit a fag and probably caused a couple of them to breathe in my smoke while they checked the car and me out. They didn't thank me for my time, but neither were they rude. But I have been stopped and (in the terminology I think they use) "asked to account" a few other times.

    One was fair enough- I was bin raiding a local charity shop after a few pints in the pub, saw the police were nearby but carried on anyway. They asked who I was, informed me that they weren't concerned, but that I was potentially committing 'theft by finding', and left me to my own devices. But the other two, IMO, were taking the mick.

    First was about 10 years ago. I'd just moved from one student house to another, and hired a car for the day to move my stuff. In the process of trying to fill the car up to return it, my one and only bank card got eaten at an unmanned service station. So I was left with about £7.50 in my pocket. Then my new housemates asked me out for the evening to celebrate one of their birthdays. I ponced a couple of drinks, and bought a couple for myself. With £2.50 in my pocket, I was faced with the choice of getting the bus home, or buying one more drink, staying on, and walking the ~3 miles home. Since I was kidding myself that a tasty bird was giving me the eye, I opted for the latter. Of course I was too shy to chat her up; as I set off on my lonely walk home it started to piss down with rain. Win some lose some; it was July so the rain wasn't cold, and I trudged home manfully. Halfway back, a police car with two female officers pulled up.

    "We've had a report of someone matching your description housebreaking and stealing VCRs" they said. I'm a slim bloke, wearing a T-Shirt and a normal (not baggy) pair of trousers. And I was sopping wet, so everything was stuck to my torso. I could not possibly in a million years have been concealing a VCR about my person. But they still made me stand there in the rain for about 10 minutes while they made their fruitless radio inquiries. Then they looked at me disdainfully and sodded off without so much as a by-your-leave. In fairness, I suppose that's down to utter stupidity rather than contempt for the public, but it still cheesed me off.

    Second time was in July 2005, after either 7/7 or 21/7 (I forget exactly). I'm not the most organized of people, so most days I had to run to catch the train, and in July that makes you overheat. I used to run down with my work shirt off, put it on while I sat on the train to avoid making people feel uncomfortable, then take it off as soon as I got off the train for the walk from the station to my office. I once got a 'whoop' from a northern lass on an open topped tour bus who appreciated the random male semi-nudity, so I don't feel bad about making people see my naked torso.

    So anyway, I was really late for the train that day, and so just caught a seat on the last carriage having sprinted. At the terminus I stripped my shirt off immediately as I was properly hot, and strolled down the platform topless. Having been on the back of the train I was about the last person past the impromptu police checkpoint that had been set up there in the wake of the bombings. And so they let everyone past, and stopped me, a bloke who was wearing nothing above the waist, again a slim fitting pair of trousers, and carrying a shirt in one hand and a small carrier bag in the other. They even told me they were stopping me under section whatever-it-is of the 2001 terrorism act.

    Now of course as a liberal I'm very much against profiling- I'm very much against security theatre in general, but if people are going to be randomly hassled, then 70 year old white ladies should be hassled the exact same amount as 25 year old muslim males- that's the price we all pay for our own security mmm'kay? But FFS, I'd just bloody strip searched myself. I walked up already not wearing a shirt and, I clearly didn't have an underpants bomb on board. Stopping me was total stupidity.

    Edit: forgot to say my final piece. I don't have any problem with the police in general; all the officers I have dealt with in the last four years have been entirely sensible and helpful, albeit that they never (AFAIK) caught the geezer who sprayed his blood all over me despite knowing who he is from the DNA database. I probably come into contact with them slightly more often than the average person as a bus controller, since I get called to bus accidents/incidents which they attend as a matter of course- and I've had no problems with their conduct at all. But my mate works as civil staff for a police force, and he and I know there are idiots out there who need, at the very least, retraining. So if you come across one, take their shoulder number and report them please.
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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    Bin raiding, walking 3 miles in the rain, running for the train topless... you are nuts mate .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiku32 View Post
    Bin raiding, walking 3 miles in the rain, running for the train topless... you are nuts mate .
    Maybe, but I'm also a decent law abiding citizen who resents being hassled for my entirely harmless eccentricities.

    And, TBH, Bin Raiding is the greatest hobby ever, wish I had time to do it now TBH.

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    Re: police stopping vehicles / document production

    Quote Originally Posted by Rave View Post
    And, TBH, Bin Raiding is the greatest hobby ever
    Once something is in the bin at the road side it no longer is property of anyone, iirc. However if its just in the street than the "theft by finding" could be brought into bear.

    If someone puts something in a bin, I would argue they no longer want it and its fair game.

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