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    Falklands Dispute Escalating

    The Falklands "sabre rattling" seems to be intensifying as a result of Argentina getting 32 heads of states from other countries including Chile/Venezuela/Brazil to back them. Strange how the Argentinans (following 1982) have only just started showing an interest since oil exploration has ramped up in the Falklands area.

    I don't see this kicking off military wise, I do not think either the Argentinians have the stomach or resources for war, and lets face it the UK forces is stretched so far helping the US in other areas Iraq/Afghanistan - we not exactly is a good state either for another front?

    One of my earliest childhood memories was watching breakfast tv, when it was announced we were going to war with Argentina, I can not see it going this way again. I think will be along the lines of more protracted diplomatic confrontations, maybe a sharing agreement with them.

    Can anyone actually envisage another actual military Falklands war?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7038582.ece

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    no, the people who live there don't want to be part of Argentina so thats half the battle won.
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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    no, the people who live there don't want to be part of Argentina so thats half the battle won.
    As was the case before they were "invaded" back in 1982. What's to stop them doing the same again?

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    I don't think it'll happen though there are some parallels with the past, in terms of Argentina's economic state (the war was arguably a distraction by the Junta back then.) The islands are a lot better defended now and there was talk of overstretch back in 1982, too.

    Chavez is worried about the U.S. and they are our major ally, plus he's a nutjob anyway so it's no real surprise. I don't think this will come to war but I do think if push came to shove then Britain would still fight. As long as the islanders want to remain British then they should be. Oil may complicate things but probably there'll be a diplomatic solution in the long run.

    It does get my hackles up, though.

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrichello View Post
    As was the case before they were "invaded" back in 1982. What's to stop them doing the same again?
    In 1982 Falkland islanders didnt have British citensenship, this was seen as another reason the uk wouldnt be bothered if the Argentines invaded.

    Wonder if any of the UKs submarines have been started heading in a generally southern direction yet?

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrichello View Post
    As was the case before they were "invaded" back in 1982. What's to stop them doing the same again?
    8 Euro fighters an anti missile/anti air missile battery, an international class runway, a few ships an a nuclear sub that will blow any transport ships out of the water and can stay hidden forever should they attack. That is the stuff they are telling us about.

    1. Argentina has problems at home and kicking off over the Falklands is a great distraction, it was the reason for the invasion last time. Our recapture of the islands toppled the people from power.
    2. The people there do not want to be Argentinian, thats the MOST important thing to me. If they wanted to go we should not prevent them however they don't.
    3. Argentina the country has never owned the islands, a country before Argentina did however they never have so for me they have no claim period. This is not a "Hong-Kong" situation which we did rightfully had back to China after the lease expired.
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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Who owned them before the 19th C then ?
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Phage View Post
    Who owned them before the 19th C then ?
    The United Provinces of the River Plate (Spanish) did for a few years however they took them from the British who took them from the french! History over here. Looks like they were visited but not colonized by the Yaghan people, after all until the Europeans came along there were no trees, which is a big problem for a hunter gather society.
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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Flibb View Post
    Wonder if any of the UKs submarines have been started heading in a generally southern direction yet?
    already there
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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Phage View Post
    Who owned them before the 19th C then ?
    The Brits and French colonised first (different sides of the Falklands, way back in early 1700's) been lots of turmoil since, French leaving, wars against Spain who took over from the French etc.

    But like others say, in the end the Falklanders overwhelmingly want to stay under British rule.

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by oolon View Post
    The United Provinces of the River Plate (Spanish) did for a few years however they took them from the British who took them from the french! History over here. Looks like they were visited but not colonized by the Yaghan people, after all until the Europeans came along there were no trees, which is a big problem for a hunter gather society.
    Thanks for the link. To sum up - there was no indigenous population, therefore no prior claim.
    Spain -> Vacancy -> River Plate (extinct precursor to Argentina) -> Britain
    The takeover was simply due to the previous administration being under resourced, corrupt and recently spanked by the US. The British pretty much just moved in.
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Phage View Post
    The takeover was simply due to the previous administration being under resourced, corrupt and recently spanked by the US. The British pretty much just moved in.
    I noticed that Argentina is not claiming sovereignty over Uruguay and Bolivia which were also part of the River plate and by that fact also in your book have an equal claim to Argentina. I also note with some amusement that "Islas Malvinas" is a translation of the French name, "Îles Malouines". I notice in your timeline you left out the French. Either way, the people want to be British not Argentinean, and I feel that is the most important thing. After all if they were handed over would Argentina kick out or repress the current population? I think that is quite likely, and it should not be allowed.
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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Sure, sure - I left out the French as they never tried to hold onto it. You could equally put Britain in there too as they both had a settlement at the same time. No-one can claim a clear historical precednt IMHO. It's all about the modern population.

    For me the important part was that there was no indigenous population who would have had the strongest moral claim, rather like the islanders from Bikini.
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

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    On another note, wouldn't it be great to see Gordon Brown to hold a press conference and just say "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough"
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    Re: Falklands Dispute Escalating

    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    On another note, wouldn't it be great to see Gordon Brown to hold a press conference and just say "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough"
    I heard he did, but some of his staff overheard and called a bulling helpline in response

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