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    UK Digital Economy Bill...

    The policy seeks to restrict internet usage for monetary gain. This is utterly ridiculous, I can't believe such restrictive and intrusive measures are being pushed through without listening to the obviously large opposition to it.

    Sources refering to the matter:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...iracy-scrutiny
    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/conte...75323ae7cfa46e
    http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/communi...mons-10015367/
    http://geeks.pirillo.com/forum/topic...my-bill-it-has
    http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010...ernet-justice/
    http://www.scmagazineuk.com/open-rig...rticle/165859/

    The Bill itself:
    http://www.publications.parliament.u...01/2010001.pdf

    Even though major ISP's like BT and Talk Talk are against this among many other companies such as Google we still have an issue with the government seeking to bypass proper scrutiny in order to pass the law before the election.

    It's a sad state of affairs if the UK government can get away with this.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    I have no problem with the principle of taking measures against illegal downloading. After all, if you want to avoid the measures, don't download illegally.

    However, in relation to these measures, I can see a series of problems, of which, two are :-

    1) It won't work. Anyone with any nous will simply use some type of anonymous proxy. The record/film industry won't be able to track the IP if it ends with a server in Azerbaijan, or China, or Eniwetok, that doesn't keep IP logs.

    2) The level of assumption of guilt. It seems that if it's done on an ISP account in my name, I'm liable. Well, I'm savvy enough to have sufficient measures in place to block casual piracy of my broadband line, but there are several users within range of me that have wide-open wifi links. What's to stop anyone with a laptop and a car driving around and casually pirating the ill-informed? Someone will suddenly start getting rude letters, or their connection slowed or lost, simply because they aren't technically literate enough to secure their link. This has already happened with record company's "pay up or else" letters.


    Oh, and 3) .... it won't work unless similar legislation is in place,. and rigorously enforced, pretty much all over the world. Good luck with that.

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    In regard to 2), are you really not liable if someone download illegal materials with your line? I suppose that it kind of make sense, I wouldn't expect the owner of a car to be liable if someone steals it and go on a joyride. And yet, I am not that sure if it is the case for wi-fi connections.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Maybe we will have to start paying for a network MOT to prove its secure enough to be on the net, or perhaps more appropriate be allowed to access the webz.
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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Quote Originally Posted by ExHail View Post
    I can't believe such restrictive and intrusive measures are being pushed through without listening to the obviously large opposition to it
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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    i hope they see sense! it's just wrong, however you look at it, and will cause more problems then it solves. Politicians should stick to what they do best, Nothing!

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteSmith View Post
    I can't believe such restrictive and intrusive measures are being pushed through without listening to the obviously large opposition to it
    Really?
    This. Someone's obviously been asleep at the back of the class...
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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    I understand for the most part, this is been put into place to discourage people from acquirring copyrighted materials.

    But if you read the first part of the bill

    to make provision about the online infringement of copyright
    I get copyright is copyright and if the material does contain copyright and you take it without the owners permission, you are indeed breaking the law. BUT!

    That says it all for me... I mean, going onto the internet and downloading a game and playing it, then not paying for it is one thing.

    But uploading and sharing images through somewhere like Flickr could also be cause for copyright, do they then take serious measures against someone then and cut their internet off?

    It's stupid, it's rushed, it just needs more consideration.

    And if the people that chased the "pirates" down actually put more money into people developing more software/hardware based methods in which to secure their content from people pirating it instead of bitching, suing and prosecuting, this bill wouldn't be getting pushed through as fast.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Saracen - all you needed to say was: "it won't work"

    The rest is irrelevant. It just goes to show how out of touch both politicians and the media corporations are with reality. Shame on the former for believing the utter crap stats being punted around and shame on the latter for not waking up to the reality of a world where paid for business models (e.g. iTunes) make a small fortune despite apparently all and sundry stealing billions of dollars from them.

    And I suppose shame on us for allowing such Orwellian legislation to pass through our system without an enormous backlash. But then most are ignorant of the incoming legislation doubtless.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    FWIW there's a campaign running from here to try to stop it.

    I don't think anything will prevent this now and it's disgusting, particularly in the way that this is being rushed through.

    Anyone see the Panorama episode about it? I thought it was very one-sided, perhaps that's not surprsing though.

    The Guardian has an interesting take on the 'demise' of the music industry - record singles profits last year, in the depths of a recession.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    I think the music, movie and games industries gripe is that because digital commodity is not scarce they can't make as much money as they used to before digitisation occurred. Instead of adapting to the reality of new technologies they want to instead force artificial scarcity on everyone through laws since copyright has not worked.

    If these industries don't adapt they will perish through consumers not participating the way they want them to. IMHO Piracy is negative feedback from consumers, either learn from it or it will get worse.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Quote Originally Posted by ExHail View Post
    IMHO Piracy is negative feedback from consumers, either learn from it or it will get worse.
    Do you really think so? I know many people who download music because it is free, it isn't to make a statement against the record companies or whoever else they may be pirating from. It is simply because they haven't had to spend money on it.

    It is the attitude of 'why pay for something when I can have it for nothing'.

    Personally I hate it, I hate it passionately, for what it is worth I still buy CD's (namely because I like the physical item and they sound better) but also because I feel that if I like something enough to want to keep it, then I should pay that person who made it for me.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    It just goes to show how out of touch both politicians and the media corporations are with reality. Shame on the former for believing the utter crap stats being punted around and shame on the latter for not waking up to the reality of a world where paid for business models (e.g. iTunes) make a small fortune despite apparently all and sundry stealing billions of dollars from them.
    Naw, they're right in touch.. They know fine rightly the majority would be ignorant to both the bill and its possible applications, which pretty much means being able to screw practically anyone without producing actual proof.
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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Everyone will open their routers to public and blame a random...

    Honestly, I know of one person that has been done for illegal downloading already (he got a warning letter)

    Both of these were never followed up, and the guy who I know who got caught once continued to do it and has not been warned again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    Saracen - all you needed to say was: "it won't work"
    ....
    I think you may be missing the point of a discussion and debate forum.

    Besides, I know from experience that if I were to make a sweeping and generalised assertion like that, with no basis or justification, someone would pick me up on it.

    So sorry but no, that wasn't all I needed to say.

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    Re: UK Digital Economy Bill...

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Oh, and 3) .... it won't work unless similar legislation is in place,. and rigorously enforced, pretty much all over the world. Good luck with that.
    Isn't that where the still secretive ACTA legislation comes in?
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