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    Google provides uncensored results to China..

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8581393.stm

    Seemingly in breach of Chinese laws.. this is going to be interesting..

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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    wow.

    One thing I don't get in this is how google censor stuff in the UK, like the sort of thing mr glitter would be looking for, surely they have their censorship line somewhere? Is it just whatever hong kong had? In which case I wouldn't have thought that was all that much better?
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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    Trolls. Youve got to give them a pat on the back for standing up to China but then again Google are becoming quite the monopoly guy themselves, im assuming they will make some profit out of leaving/providing uncensored search results to China no matter what theyre stock value suggested today ?
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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    One thing I don't get in this is how google censor stuff in the UK, like the sort of thing mr glitter would be looking for, surely they have their censorship line somewhere? Is it just whatever hong kong had? In which case I wouldn't have thought that was all that much better?
    I can't be specific because it has been almost three years since my last trip to HK, but as I recall, it is quite different. I think that the censorship line is usually tied with the government requests, and while Google censors in a number of countries in the world, even more are uncensored.

    It's only a (short) matter of time before the Chinese government shows them the door now. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of citizens call for the lawbreakers (I can't put quotes here because it really is that) to be executed.

    Google may be a huge corporation, but it's still the smaller of the two main search engine providers in China. To be honest, you can't compare the scale of 'bad things' each has done/can do. Google use information to be more profitable (though it also broke the law now), China use it to decide who lives.
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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    Trolls. Youve got to give them a pat on the back for standing up to China but then again Google are becoming quite the monopoly guy themselves, im assuming they will make some profit out of leaving/providing uncensored search results to China no matter what theyre stock value suggested today ?
    I've never been a great fan of Google, and I'm pretty cynical about how far their "do no evil" motto tends to fly when there's a danger of shareholders feeling the consequences. I wouldn't suggest for a minute that high principle was the only reason behind this decision (after all, they chose to start censoring in China in the first place).

    Whatever the underlying reasons though, it was the right thing to do, and all credit to them for sticking to their guns in this case - I was honestly expecting them to blink first, and if their worldwide reputation is enhanced and the results show in their bottom line, then I guess they deserve it.

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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    I hope they got any staff they have out of China before they did this.
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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    I can't be specific because it has been almost three years since my last trip to HK, but as I recall, it is quite different. I think that the censorship line is usually tied with the government requests, and while Google censors in a number of countries in the world, even more are uncensored.

    It's only a (short) matter of time before the Chinese government shows them the door now. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of citizens call for the lawbreakers (I can't put quotes here because it really is that) to be executed.

    Google may be a huge corporation, but it's still the smaller of the two main search engine providers in China. To be honest, you can't compare the scale of 'bad things' each has done/can do. Google use information to be more profitable (though it also broke the law now), China use it to decide who lives.
    Well, Hong Kong as autonomy in ways, so the rules are more lax. To put it this way, the fact that they can still have annual protests and candle vigils for the Tian-An Men incident says it all.

    As for Google being a small fish in the Chinese search market, its market share is nowhere near what Baidu had - and did not seem to be gaining ground on them anyway.
    To play devil's advocate - Google pulling out to cut their losses and gain a bit of positive press using this spin?

    Anyhow, redirecting to the Hong Kong website is not exactly going to get peole in China to use it anyway - think the Hong Kong one would be in traditional Chinese, not simpified font.

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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    Quote Originally Posted by Baggio18 View Post
    To play devil's advocate - Google pulling out to cut their losses and gain a bit of positive press using this spin?
    Yup, this is what I thought, I don't understand how they allow censorship for some, but deride others for it.

    Then again I don't know much about the local culture, so I figured I might just have been a prejudice synic.
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    Re: Google provides uncensored results to China..

    Quote Originally Posted by Baggio18 View Post
    Anyhow, redirecting to the Hong Kong website is not exactly going to get peole in China to use it anyway - think the Hong Kong one would be in traditional Chinese, not simpified font.
    It has both at a click. In addition to English. I've said it elsewhere, but I wonder if mainland won't use this chance to restrict Internet in Hong Kong (backfiring Google's action).

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