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Which party would HeXus elect?
No poll? The pirate party! Just so we could go Arrrrrrr.
Yeah, add a poll with the list :).
There is a poll, you just posted too quickly and I was still faffing with it!
I like yellow more then red, blue or green so its probably lib dems :)
Lib dems for me, just cos the other 2 main parties don't deserve my vote.
I'll be voting Lib Dem- I like them more than any other party, but I'm still not amazingly keen. However, in a first past the post system, in the vast majority of constituencies it's a two horse race- and round here it's Labour Vs Lib Dem. Only the Lib Dems have any chance at all of unseating the sitting Labour MP; the Tories lost the seat in 1992, and given demographic changes over the last 18 years will now come a distant third.
So my advice is- check out the demographics for your area- in a lot of cases your vote will count for sod all anyway, and there are a tiny handful of constituencies where it is a genuine three horse race- but in most cases it's a simple choice- challenger vs incumbent. If you're a smart voter, you'll find out and vote accordingly.
Say you're a natural Labour voter in a seat which will be a contest between a Lib Dem and a Tory- a vote for Labour will be a waste, you should choose who out of the Lib Dems or Tories you dislike least, and vote accordingly. Same if you're a Lib Dem in a seat that's straight Tory vs Labour- make your choice and vote accordingly.
First Past The Post sucks IMO, but it's what we're stuck with, and you might as well vote to make a difference, given that you'll actually expend time and effort going to the polling station.
I meant to click green party, not bnp!
i noticed the two racists (BNP voters) haven't decided to comment... surprise surprise... anywho, ill be voting lib dem, they seem to have their wits about them, good policies, and its a change... good one... not bnp or conservatives.
BNP isn't all about racism. I agree with a lot of their policies.
Ok do you think we should send all the foreign workers home? If so why do you think every other country should not do the same. Perhaps all the white people in Australia should be forced to come back too not being native, and those americans most are of European or African decent, they should be force to leave too.... Its going to get a little crowded here. Thats the problem with this arguments, they work if only one side does it however as soon as you look at it from an equal point of view you see the short commings of the concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
Don't cross the wrong box with your actual vote!Quote:
Originally Posted by Krakkenbus
... god i hope you are joking, if you aren't, i am ashamed you are in my age group, and will actually consider having an iq test requirement for under 21's to vote to be a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
This forum just keeps getting worse.
Am I entitled to an opinion? Or do I have to conform to everyone else's?
And the fact that us English, aren't even from here haha, we are based from everywhere in the world, and really the Irish, Scots and Welsh own this land more then us, so really we have no right to kick anyone out for not being native.Quote:
Originally Posted by oolon
Not when it infringes on other peoples freedoms, and when the opinion is to illegally remove others that have an opinion also from the country, if you get an opinion why don't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
Lot of sense from Rave there..Not his choice ;) his logic
Do you have ANY idea which policies I agree with? If not, shut up. If you're psychic, please carry on. But don't tell me I'm not entitled to an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
conservatives
Indeed, the angles where from Germany. My family came over from France with the huguenots (french protestants), and we are all out of Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
BNP are an outright fascist racist party, and happily admit it, so if you vote for them, you agree with them on the whole simple as, whether you agree with a policy doesn't matter, you are still voting for a holocaust denying bunch of fascists. And i am proud of the fact that Britain has never let a fascist party get its teeth into the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
But I'm not going to vote for them, because I don't agree with their more extreme policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Not to mention, the Romans, Vikings, and the many tribes from all over Europe that have been here at some point or another, or moved here etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by oolon
"MORE" extreme... you have got to be kidding me, see you are a prime example of why people want the vote to not be allowed to our age group, you clearly have no consideration for your actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
The BNP has a voice because the people who have been in his country for their whole lives, feel that things are being changed too quickly by people who haven't. Racism isn't cool, but neither is alienating older generations from their own communities. I don't think people should be kicked out of the country, provided they haven't just come here to break the law, but I also think we're getting a touch crowded. Perhaps we should divert or economic refugees to Australia and the USA, they're practically empty compared to us! Given the general incompetence of our leaders, having less people to lead would probably help them out.
I think tracking societies origins down to this level is entirely irrelevant. Different countries do have different cultures, which are representative of maybe the last 100-200 years, with only hints from further back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
If the main chunk of BNP membership was older people i might see where you come from, but sadly alas it is not the case, i know plenty of young people going that way purely down to racial views, one friend actual told me she was voting BNP racially motivated... we now no longer talk, if they cant work in a developed mixed society why don't they leave? and let the rest of us get on without a bunch of thugs trying to get into politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikomus
Wtf is your problem? What have I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
I voted BNP, what gives you the right to call a person racist on the basis that the ideals of the party is for the British,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Are any race welcome in this country, yes....Have the BNP changed their policy to intergrate all into their party, yes...Are their people in this country whom call themselves British or English and have far more radical views than any of the BNP about the peoples of other races or religions, I think yes and for that reason I would vote BNP
I will not waste my time thinking about wether one of three parties as the front runners will ever help me economically, socially or lawfully, they have far outweighed the country's economy and I as one of millions will suffer in the long run and pass this debt on to our grand children and generations beyond
just my 2p
Welcome to the internet. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
Yes you are, and its much more interesting if you don't conform. Personally I was interesting in what you liked about them. Personally my problem with them is they want things both ways. As much as I might dislike the people who run the party I respect there opinion and as British Citizens they have a right to voice them here. One thing that did annoy me was someone in a previous company I worked who was an oversees worker a bitched about the UK all the time, when I said if you don't like it why don't you return home he said cos it was much better over here.. So I said quit complaining about it. British people who live here can complain no one else!Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
That is so not the case, cultures change daily, and every culture will progress from expansion and mixing, and to say it is irrelevant is not true, we cannot do what the BNP do and say this is "OUR" country when actual, no it isn't and as a people we are hardly well know for letting people keep their countries, we cannot demand people stop coming here, when for hundreds of years we have walked into their lands without a seconds thought, and still in modern day we do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikomus
BNP have not changed their policies, they have used smoke and mirrors to stop the law smash them into the ground, which is the exact reason their membership is currently locked and noone allowed to join. As for letting others join, their first non white member is to be a Sikh that admits to hatting as he calls it "pakis" so... yer okay whatever you believe. And then for the cleaner party look... Nick Griffin has been caught to be a holocaust denialist, making him one of the worst racists out there. And then just as a final thing, you say the three main parties have ruined Britain etc, you think a bunch of thugs with no political experience could run the country any better... even Hitler didnt do that, if you look at Hitlers rule from 1933 pretty much up to 38 he kept other party members in minister roles because his people did not have a clue how to run a country, and the same is the case for the BNP. And i have every right to call you a racist, because you vote for a party that welcomes racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by rover214
Doesn't everyone ?Quote:
Originally Posted by oolon
So your way of going against one of your gripes is by voting for one of the three major parties who, as I remember, voted for the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Actually quite a lot of Lib Dems voted no, and you think the BNP are anti war? there main audience is soldiers, you think they dare tell them they would make them unemployed yer okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
I never said the BNP were anti-war :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Qui?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
As a roundabout example;
I agree with few of UKIPs policies, does that mean i am going to vote for them?
Does it bollocks!
Just because you agree with part of something doesn't mean that you agree with all of it...
Last time we had a local election i agreed with some of the BNP's stuff, would i vote for them? No, but alot of the people in the area did and got them an MP, it seems that quite alot of people are entirely ****ed off with the so called 'main parties' and are opting to go for alternatives.
At the last locals i voted for the green party, purely because at the time i didn't agree with any party 100% on what they wanted to do, but the green party had more middle ground.
Does that mean that i'm a tree hugging hippy?
NO
At one point in Hitlers life he probably said that he likes cheese, i like cheese, therefore i'm a Nazi?
DOES IT ****, get a grip, just because you agree on one thing doesn't mean that you agree to the full picture!
Cover up the party and then tick the things you agree with... It works wonders...
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/the-re...ck-Griffin.php
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/i...iew/full/88849
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg03.htm
ex national front candidate, and the lib dem undercover videos prove, Nick Griffin still is a racist and why would he ever change.
But TAKTAK you have clearly said, you didn't vote, there are members here saying they have and still will... therefor my argument is towards them not people like yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAKTAK
What if my vote is to be that of a tactical one. In the Euro's i voted 'tactically' for the Christian party - look them up and then realise how mild the BNP actually are.
But I'm not voting for the BNP either, which I clearly stated, yet you went straight for my throat!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
And just in case you missed the 2 PMs and the reply in here.. Wtf is your problem? What have I said?
/sigh.... I am not even going to go there, you clearly have your own opinion and sound like the kind of person that will vote the same forever, and when BNP go, you will just vote the next one etc etc, so i will just leave you to it, and be thankful that the majority of people in Britain are in the 21st Century and hate the likes of the BNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
Ho Hum I did that with the who to vote for thing and got 2 UKIP, 1 Green and 1 Liberal, so it didn't help that much spoit ballot paper is still winning for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAKTAK
The difference between you and TAKTAK is two things, one you seemed more forward about the possibility of voting BNP, and two you are in the same age group as me, and i like many others that actually respect and take interest in politics are heckled for being silly youths that vote for BNP etc, and that is why you get my disrespect. And By the way just because you have abbreviated a swear word that everyone knows doesn't mean you aren't swearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
Culture changes daily, as in, within the last 100-200. I don't think it particularly bothers people who would identify themselves as British whether we were invaded by Romans, or turned out to be a Greek colony or whatever on a daily basis. We do have a very real sense of what is and isn't part of "our" culture, whatever that is, and the BNP play on people worrying it's changing too fast. Regardless, I'm not a BNP supporter and was maybe not going to include them in the poll... I wanted to learn what people thought of all the main parties really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
How have you the right to publically call me a racist when you don't even know my views,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
I have less rights as a British citizen than if I had just entered this country as a family from another country with a child,
I applied for a council home some time ago and as a fully fledged tax and national insurance payer along with my partner would be offered less than someone whom had just entered this country with nothing, not even a fundamental grasp of the English language.
I am not racist, a lot of my friends and aquaintances are of diverse and mixed race, I work for one of the world's biggest companies and I welcome their friendship and outlooks wether I have know them through work or socially local, school or through my partner
I have not mentioned any of the Radical sections of our society for fear of your short-sightedness and fear of being branded as a racist again because I can vote for whomever I like without fear.
Oh dear. You've been going there for the past 3 pages, I also voted Lib Dem at local elections so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Although, we clearly seem to be getting somewhere when you acknowledge people have opinions, maybe you will value it should it ever be in line with yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Okay well do me a favor then, every time you meet one of these racially diverse friends, or clients etc etc, start a conversation about the fact you are going to vote BNP and see what happens and you will understand why i have the right.Quote:
Originally Posted by rover214
One thing then? TAKTAK is also 18, or maybe 19 now..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
No, I said exactly the same thing as TAKTAK has, that I agree with a lot of the things that the BNP have said. I haven't once said I would vote for them. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said I would vote for the LD's.
And I'm supposed to care whether or not WTF is an abbreviation or not? You're just resorting to petty techniques to try and come out on top, admit it that you haven't a leg to stand on.
What are you eighteen? "so stick that in your pipe and smoke it" a serious argument over political direction of the country and you say that? why don't you tell me your daddy will come beat up my daddy next... :/.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
As for opinions... yes you are welcome to them... what i stated was that the BNP would infringe on others... and your belief in everyone getting an opinion would be diddly squat.
You'll know then (or at least should), the BNP will never get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Because as you probably have noticed, the forum doesn't allow swearing, or the use of changing a word to get around the swearing blocker, and also that as you may have noticed no one else is needing to swear to put a point across.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
Not petty tactics its called wanting to discuss without being swore at on a forum that doesn't allow swearing.
Right, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Answer my question.
"Wth is your problem? What have I said?"
yes and no... they might not get in anytime soon, but they may gain enough ground to actual effect things, or ever worse... a hung Parliament develops and a large party lets say Conservatives for example (not necessarily going to happen) due to the fact they have already allied with fascist groups in Europe, decide to ally themselves to BNP to get a majority... then we worry? yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
My BoldQuote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Cozwin virtually every soldier I know and I know a LOT would take umbrage with that statement, when your on the front line and your life depends on your comrades, you care not what their ethnicity is. Yes the BNP have tried to place themselves a the 'soldiers party' but as with the rest of society their support is marginal at best.
@ matty-hodgson: Mate you are entitled to your opinion and if you agree with the BNP's policies then you can vote for them if you want too, at the end of the day its what we call democracy, just do me one tiny favour and make sure its a informed choice.
Is there a problem within a racial or religious part of your life, have you no friends that will accept your beilefs and ideals and let you go on your own path or do you have to follow a generic stereotype of "He/She must be a racist if they vote for the BNP"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
I pity your tunnel vision approach, I vote for who I like, it is a simple as that, I am the only one who can change my mind, not other people, I am too strong willed to give in to peer pressure,
If you do not have that kind of outlook in life then you are driven by the masses, one BNP voter is racist, all BNP voters are racist
Okay last one, i have already told you exactly what my "problem is" i study history, that is what i am doing my degree in, and i have seen more then what most people see in programs films etc, how many fascist parties have taken reins in countries and done pretty nasty things. I have also experienced first hand racism with people i work with, see day to day and i despise it, we live in a first rate country and have a great community and let it get ruined by a bunch of skin head thugs... to ever talk of BNP support is to approve of its existence simple as.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty-hodgson
any who that's enough for me, i will let the 4 people who have voted BNP in poll sit and plan on how to have me exterminated etc.
well the judge that locked BNP membership seems to agree with my "tunnel vision" as do the thousands of people who want it banned... because we all have tunnel vision right.Quote:
Originally Posted by rover214
So how about that whole Gordon Brown not talking to that guy who was shouting at him thing?
...Sorry just thought I'd change the subject a bit...
sorry you misunderstood me, i do not mean their main support is the soldiers, i mean that the BNP go for soldiers as you say 'soldiers party' i am not claiming most soldiers vote BNP, hope that clears that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaddAussie
haha okay i will end with this, that guy on the news screaming about his children that cant get into their local schools? surely he should be asking Ed Balls and his local council this question not Gordon Brown? just my 2 pence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikomus
No option for socialist party?
I think my vote will go lib dem, they are the 2nd horse in my constituency (tories are probably on the way out and my mp is not standing at this election...wonder why)
If I choose to vote I will probably look into the policies more in areas that affect me the most, travel, work, healthcare etc.
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Originally Posted by Cozwin
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Originally Posted by Cozwin
First rate country! the government have taken this "First rate country" and milked it for the past 40 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
You are stereotyping a neo-nazi style, did you ask which way they would be voting?
Is it... over ?
Gah - I don't like any of them !
Not that it matters much in our seat. It's the most blue of blue ribbon.
Does anyone have a link to one of those sites that asks your opinions on various policies and then tells you who your best match is ?
http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
From 50000 surverys so far, the Greens have the most matches by far, followed by lib dems, labour and then conservatives.
I'd like to point out that although our country is run democratically, HEXUS, a private entity, is run through despotism.
The general election is a topic that is bound to create massive differences of opinion in the HEXUS community, but I think we can all express those differences whilst being somewhat more... courteous... than has been shown in this thread so far.
Being a benevolent despot, I'll simply suggest that this thread moves in that direction henceforth...
Bah - I appear to be 25% Green 25% Blue and 50% UKIP.
OMG - a closet nazi !
EDIT : Hmph - they don't ask you about civil liberties on the democracy section.
I was going to vote Tory (probably) but the recent Digital Economy Bill debacle may've just cost them my vote...
More importantly i noticed two (Labour voters) haven't decided to comment.... What country they been living in for the last 13 years? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cozwin
Do the LibDems still have they're no 'tuition fee's' policy ?
I think they've been pretty clear that they will phase it out over a number of years, a search on their site or google has plenty of info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
That site was a great help. 25% green, 25% lab, 25% lib dem and 25% tory. :)
I've always voted Lib Dems in the past, but this time I'm voting blue as I REALLY hate this current government and the only viable way I can see of changing my semi-marginal constituency out of red is by voting blue.
I'm a card carrying liberal democrat, and surprise surprise thats how I will be voting.
I am hoping, however, for a hung parliament with labour and the liberal democrats. The reason being that all 3 parties have some good and some bad (and some awful) ideas, and I don't fully agree with any of them..even my own party.
I think the liberal democrat idea of abolishing university tuition fees for example is a terrible thing - there are far too many people who go to uni as it is (which just devalues degrees) and we shouldnt be encouraging more to go imo - at least not without complete education reform to get people to take a proper intelligence test before going (at least 50% of people at my uni just shouldn't have been there). They also have crazy ideas around energy (like getting rid of nuclear power etc). The rest of their policies fall much closer to labour than tory however, and i think they would be a good match with a hung parliament.
I really hope that the tories don't get in though - as much as I dislike labour's union ownership and a large percentage of their decisions in recent years, I don't trust David Cameron for a second and the tories still don't have any concrete policies. Stopping the proposed NI increase for example is just crazy, and the so called "support" from business leaders is only because they know it will cost them millions.
Like it or not labour have not done the worst job in the world recently, don't vote for them (vote lib dem!) but I wouldn't trust David Cameron either - at least not until he decides to put forward some solid policy and stops being so catty...
As a side note, if any of you are seriously thinking about voting BNP, please think about how our country would be if they were in power. Even leaving aside the blatant racism - I talk about the tories having no solid policy on how to run the country but compared to the BNP the tories have cast iron policies infused with diamonds! They are not as racist as people generally believe imo but the country would fall apart in days if they took power.
Every time I feel like I may vote Tory - I hit myself with
http://images.google.co.uk/images?um...=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Trouble is if I think of Labour, all I get is
http://shepherdsbush.files.wordpress...3/bob-crow.jpg
The Greens
http://www.untoldentertainment.com/b...idnightOil.jpg
Lib Dems give me nothing at all.
With the University idea, i had a decent one, First year pay for... as it is currently... then if you perform well enough... free from then onwards... wont encourage all the hopeless people to give it a try for free as its pay for first year... and it means everyone who wants to go for full course gets a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spud1
oh and on the policy voting website, i got 50% green, 25% ukip (economy strangely) 25% lib dem, but i still will vote lib dem on hope of hung parliment. Strange to see how many people get green... yet noone votes them.
This page on the BBC site is good if you want a quick comparison of where the individual parties stand on the major election issues.
It may not be particularly diplomatic of them to do so, as I guess it could (and did) touch a nerve, but I still believe that you do shouldn't need to be a native to criticise a country. I think that you taking it from a "Beggars can't be choosers...", point of view, which I understand, but the truth is that even if the UK is better than their home country, it far from perfect, and I don't see the point of asking anyone tp glossing over 'imperfections' just to appease the locals. Besides, the country may not be better off if you deport every foreign workers who have a few, or even many criticism about the country. From a pragmatic point of view, there are definitely areas where the country currently need those foreign talents as much as they need what this country provides. Or think of it this way. Do you have absolutely nothing bad to say about your current job? At all? Or how about when you were studying? An analogy would that you chose the work you are doing, or the course you did, and therefore, you should never moan about work conditions, or a lousy lecturer, because you ought to just do something else. It's not just practical for most people, and venting about the negative is probably just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by oolon
I would vote Lib dems. Mostly because I just don't want either of the two major parties getting in. BNP has got more votes than labour :P
The Greens and UKIP aren't exactly doing much to dispell their reputation of being irrelevant...
That's a good link, I got 57% Greens, 29% Conservatives and 14% BNP LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Apparently I agreed with BNP's Welfare policy...
But I was honestly quite surprized that I agreed with the Greens on so many policies not just environment.
Also I agree that nobody in their right mind should be voting BNP because they also have some, imho, idiotic views. Proposing to give large grants to British citizens to leave permanently because they have foreign heritage?? Honestly... :angst: Even if some of their policies are sound, the general vibe coming from that party is just a joke.
Resurrecting this thread, but this seemed a better summary of policies to help you decide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...ur&col3=libdem
Useful link. Hadn't seen the shocking conservative housing policy before - nimbys are going to be well catered for if they come into power :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
As will the "I know better than everyone else" brigade with this fun "we know we can't run public services properly - so you do it!" malarkey..scary thoughts!Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
I did realise something this week though..whats the general abbreviation for Conservative?...Con (or Cons)..fitting imo!
Oh, I dunno, refreshing compared to "the government knows better than everyone else" :rolleyes:
Tory I believe. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Spud1
Cheers a Good link there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phage
Glad to see the conservatives are going to keep raising inheritance tax threshold to 1m, and scrap stamp duty permanently for ftb's below £250k.
Lib Dem. Lets give the underdog a chance to prove they can do things better. Sick of Labour and the Cons!