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    Don't vote.

    Don’t vote if you support war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Don’t vote if you support tax evasion by billionaires.

    Don’t vote if you support ID cards.

    Don’t vote if you support fox hunting.

    Don’t vote if you support 90 day detention without charge.

    Don’t vote if you support disconnection from the Internet on the basis of accusation.

    Don’t vote if you support tax rises and/or cuts to public services.

    You get the idea.

    The way democracy works in the UK, the election is decided by the biggest voting bloc – the non-voters. Non-voters who elect not to vote are not, in fact, failing to vote – they are casting a vote of “I’m with Stupid”, a vote of “whatever that guy says” – and they are casting that vote loudly. If you decide not to exercise your right to vote, you are directly supporting the minority decision to pick the party that wins – and your vote of confidence in their ability to vote on your behalf is a ringing endorsement of whatever comes next.

    The usual complaint from the non-voters is that their vote doesn’t count – that one vote doesn’t matter, that there’s no material difference between the candidates, and so on. However, this is an entirely self-fulfilling prophecy. To demonstrate how wrong these people are, let’s have some fun with maths!

    The population of the UK is about 62 million. Of those, at the last General Election, about 44 million were eligible to vote. Under 27 million people DID vote – the rest, about 17.5 million, did not. That’s 17.5 million “my vote doesn’t count for anything” non-voters. How much influence could they have wielded? Well, Labour’s total popular vote was 9.5 million. If one in twenty non-voters had voted Conservative, then the Conservatives would have won. If one in five had voted Liberal Democrat, then the Liberal Democrats would have won. If five in nine had voted Official Monster Raving Loony Party, then OMRLP would have won.

    Clearly my numbers are a gross over-simplification, because that’s not how our voting system works – but it goes to show just how powerful the “I’m with Stupid” voting bloc is, and how much influence they could wield if they so chose. If you feel all MPs are the same, then stand for election yourself (there’s a £500 fee, refundable on 5% of votes received). It really doesn’t take many people voting together to overturn even the safest seat – it requires only a removal of apathy by the voters who decide the elections by not casting a vote. And surely, in a population of 62 million, we can find 640 or so individuals who can serve in public office WITHOUT being a corrupt git? Can we really not scrape together 0.001% of the population who are worthy of support?

    Oh, and a spoiled ballot is not a vote for “none of the above”, it’s a non-vote. If you want to mix things up, then cast a vote for a third party – even cast it for a joke candidate. Because there really are enough people out there that they could change the landscape of politics completely. Convince just one out of five non-voting friends to vote Lib Dem, for example, and UK politics is changed forever.

    So in advance of the voter registration deadline next week, and the General Election in May, think about what matters or doesn’t matter to you. And remember, if you really support the 2-party duopoly, then don’t vote.

    [reposted from my blog]

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    Re: Don't vote.

    I would only go to vote if there was an option box I could tick saying "I do not trust any of the above"
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    Re: Don't vote.

    ^^ Bingo...
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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I would only go to vote if there was an option box I could tick saying "I do not trust any of the above"
    Write it in.
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    Re: Don't vote.

    I would vote if they paid me for the Vote directly.

    Ask them what your vote is worth.... see who bids highest.
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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I would only go to vote if there was an option box I could tick saying "I do not trust any of the above"
    So vote for the joke candidate. If nothing else, your vote could help them get back their £500 registration fee.

    Not voting, or spoiling the ballot, is a ringing endorsement for the Labservatives.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Not voting, or spoiling the ballot, is a ringing endorsement for the Labservatives.
    Although both labour and conservatives are very good in my area.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    Want to see what your vote REALLY counts for??

    Check this out...

    http://www.voterpower.org.uk/

    I was, to say the least, a little disheartened. At least after my recent house move I have more of a say if i do vote. lol..

    Moved from here... http://www.voterpower.org.uk/sheffield-heeley

    To Here... http://www.voterpower.org.uk/chesterfield
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    Baldrick, does it have to be this way? Our valued friendship ending with me cutting you up into strips and telling the prince that you walked over a very sharp cattle grid in an extremely heavy hat?

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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by azrael316 View Post
    Want to see what your vote REALLY counts for??

    Check this out...

    http://www.voterpower.org.uk/

    I was, to say the least, a little disheartened. At least after my recent house move I have more of a say if i do vote. lol..

    Moved from here... http://www.voterpower.org.uk/sheffield-heeley

    To Here... http://www.voterpower.org.uk/chesterfield
    Their maths is based on the question of how marginal a given seat is - on the basis that overcoming a majority is hard. They're campaigning for vote system reform, which is a Lib Dem manifesto point.

    In your current constituency, you had 59.6% turnout of 74007 people. 30000 people did not vote. The winners, the Lib Dems, got 20875 votes. If 2/3 of people voted OMRLP, then OMRLP would have won. If 1 in 10 non-voters had voted Labour, Labour would have won.

    That's my point. No matter where in the country you are, the non-voters are the ones simply allowing outcomes to happen - when they have the power to pick any candidate they like.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    I agree, hex. I don't like the idea of not-voting. My problem is I'm having trouble finding someone to vote for.

    Currently, my plan is to vote for whoever is most likely to turn out who I know I want out, which is the incumbent. I just hope :-

    a) it works,
    b) the new MP (and party) is an improvement.

    I'm not confident of either result.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Currently, my plan is to vote for whoever is most likely to turn out who I know I want out, which is the incumbent.
    You know that's how the 2-party system works, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azrael316 View Post
    Want to see what your vote REALLY counts for??

    Check this out...

    http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
    Apparently for Luton south it is a "fairly safe" seat which is utter BS as Labour will definitely lose it because the Labour MP hasn't been to work in about six months, apparently she is sick, + there are about 5 or six independents standing including ... Esther Rantzen.

    Maybe the site would have been right for the last election, but not for this years.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    You know that's how the 2-party system works, right?
    I naively prefer to think that people vote for what they actively do want, than what they don't want.

    It might be a two-party system nationally, but it isn't at a constituency level.

    My point was that I would vote for a party I did not support, that wanted things I did not believe in, and hope that that candidate won, because I regard the one I've got as being the worst of, round here at least, any of the viable options, and voting for what I don't want is better than just letting the status quo trundle on.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    If you choose not to vote, then you can't complain about anything. Tax goes up - you don't get to complain because you didn't do anything about it. The government going to knock down your house? You don't get to complain because you did nothing to stop them getting in to power.

    Whether you trust them or not, the system is there and either red or blue will win. If you choose to not vote, then that's your choice, but you have come back on anything that happens in the 4 or 5 years following the election.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    People are apathetic as they do not trust ANY of the parties to do the right thing, can't blame them.
    As for 'if you don't vote don't complain' - meh, they're all going to put taxes up, reduce X service, cut this, chop that & at the next election we'll all be whining again the same as last time & the time before that & the time before that....

    I'll vote for the party that has the balls to tell it like it is, that isn't going to happen though.

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    Re: Don't vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_B View Post
    People are apathetic as they do not trust ANY of the parties to do the right thing, can't blame them.
    As for 'if you don't vote don't complain' - meh, they're all going to put taxes up, reduce X service, cut this, chop that & at the next election we'll all be whining again the same as last time & the time before that & the time before that....

    I'll vote for the party that has the balls to tell it like it is, that isn't going to happen though.
    Do you think you could find 2200 people near you who feel the same way? 'cos that's how many votes it takes (on average) to reclaim your registration fee if you run, yourself, as an Independent

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