Why do people vote BNP?

[Phage]

So you magically turned into a hot girl then?

I'll put on my robe and my wizard hat

Heh - No, I did one of those online 'Who should I vote for quizzes.' Apparently I agreed with UKIP on a couple of issues ! AND I have the face of a constipated toad.

[[GSV]Trig]

People will vote for the BNP, not because they are nessecerily racist but because the other parties are too soft and have already proven that they are useless and wont do the job properly.
Thats why it ammuses me when Lab/Cons say that theres no point voting for xyz they have never been in power they have no experiance they dont know what they are doing, when, both of those parties have been in before and quite clearly have screwed the country up. Experiance counts for nothing when its a bad experiance..

Personally I think what we need is a new party, one thats not as soft as the red/blue lot but not as "righty" as the BNP..

And for the record I agree with some of the things the BNP have said, like asylum seekers that come to the UK through 4/5 other countries shouldnt be let in, ok, so you want to get out of the country your from for whatever reason, but what was wrong with the others that you came through to get here, reason is, UK is a soft touch and they know they can get away with it, that, should stop...

I could go on but we'll leave it at that now so all the muppets can brand me a racist then I can some back later and have something to do...

[MadduckUK]

in before Cozwin

[j.o.s.h.1408]

I think you will be surprised on how many vote for BNP.

racist people?

hehe only kidding or am i

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Around 5.5 million UK British people live abroad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...s_abroad/html/

[Kata]

Around 5.5 million UK British people live abroad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...s_abroad/html/

That's 'cause we find it nicer abroad

[scaryjim]

Well, a few sweeping generalisations, and you could argue that saying that those that are unemployed are because they are "lazy chavs" is an equally bigoted view!

I never claimed I wasn't a bigot And I don't think *all* unemployed people are lazy chavs - just the ones that would vote BNP!! (See, hardly bigoted at all really!)

[peterb]

I never claimed I wasn't a bigot And I don't think *all* unemployed people are lazy chavs - just the ones that would vote BNP!! (See, hardly bigoted at all really!)

Phew - thats OK then! I was a bit worried for a moment!

[Georgy291]

People will vote for the BNP, not because they are nessecerily racist but because the other parties are too soft and have already proven that they are useless and wont do the job properly.
Thats why it ammuses me when Lab/Cons say that theres no point voting for xyz they have never been in power they have no experiance they dont know what they are doing, when, both of those parties have been in before and quite clearly have screwed the country up. Experiance counts for nothing when its a bad experiance..

Personally I think what we need is a new party, one thats not as soft as the red/blue lot but not as "righty" as the BNP..

And for the record I agree with some of the things the BNP have said, like asylum seekers that come to the UK through 4/5 other countries shouldnt be let in, ok, so you want to get out of the country your from for whatever reason, but what was wrong with the others that you came through to get here, reason is, UK is a soft touch and they know they can get away with it, that, should stop...

I could go on but we'll leave it at that now so all the muppets can brand me a racist then I can some back later and have something to do...

you know i was going to completely avoid posting on this thread because i think exactly what you say. And thank you for putting it in to a more polite way than i was going to say it

[emzallan]

There is a difference between being sympathetic to one or two of their policies and actually voting for them though, for example I know anti further European integration people, who would support the Conservatives or even UKIP on their EU policy but oppose their economic or social policies, and so would never vote for either party.

I think BNP supporters are a mixture of any of the following: mainly fed up with mainstream politics, using a protest vote, swept up with their more eye catching policies, racist, peer/family influence, or personally negatively affected by immigration, real or perceived. Many of these reasons apply to other political parties too.

[Champman99]

Its a question I certainly have asked myself before. I really may wander way off topic in this post, in fact, I know I will!

I watched the Question Time with Griffin and have the following to say. Does Mr. Griffin have a specific cut-off point in mind for when people stop being immigrants and start being "Indiginous" Britons? I mean the Saxons came from Germany, so should anyone decended from a Saxon go 'home'? should anyone decended from a Viking go back to Scandanavia? Should anyone decended from a Roman go back to Italy.

Two of my great grandparents on my mothers side fled Ottoman persecution in Armenia, two of my great grandparents on my fathers side fled Anti-Semitism in eastern europe. My other ancestors are all English or Scottish, am I allowed to stay?

In the museum of immigration that I visited in New York City I was told something which I found very interesting. It was about how every wave of immigrants to America, vigorously opposed and persecuted the next wave. Everyone just wanted the "Land of Milk and Honey" for themselves, even though they had at one time been immigrants themselves. America was made great by immigrants - but now it's "full" (at least if you are coming from the South and have brown skin)

The core of BNP support comes from what some people term "the disenfranchised" even though I think that term is incorrect as it has a specific meaning (according to Wikipedia!). This means often people from workless familys (which are usually defined as households where several generations have been continuously unemployed). These people seem to think they are entitled to something, and seem angry about their lot without striving to improve it.

I admit, I was born into a nice family with graduate parents and I cant hope to get inside these peoples heads, then again, I struggle to understand anyone who would even consider voting for the BNP and I've met quite a few middle class people who have said they would, (who have been promptly ex-communicated from me!)

Now, as far as "British Jobs for British People" goes. We have a minimum wage in this country - any legal work cannot be done for pennies by immigrants, they cant vastly undercut for basic labour. I would suggest that in many cases, the jobs that are "stolen" by immigrants were jobs turned down by these people as beneath them, or that they didnt pay enough for these people to get off their tax-payer funded sofas, or as we economists would say to meet their "reservation wage"

People seem to act like Britain is the only country that gets immigration from poorer countries. France has had huge immigration from its North and West African former colonies, Germany has had massive Turkish immigration and even more inter-EU immigration from countries like Poland than we have. In fact in east Germany people just commute in from Poland to do a job in Germany.

Ive lost my train of thought.... I told you that might happen.

Of course dis-contentment breeds this sort of thing. Rises in extremism always come about during recessions, its just the way things are. The main parties havent done well in trying to engage with people the BNP is likely to appeal to, partly due to Labours shift to the middle. People are also angry with politicians with expenses and all, although why anyone would think the BNP would be above corruption when in office is beyond me, by definition the people in the party seem to be out for themselves.

Now I'm not particularly a Tory or a Labour fan (I was a Lib-Dem before it was fashionable ) but honestly I dont think the governments of the past decades have done as bad a job as everyone seems to think. I remember a line from (bizzarely) Hustle that I cant quote exactly but it was along the lines of "The British electorate have the service expectations of a Scananavian Welfare State, but have an incredibly low tax threshold"

By most measures our GDP per Capita is equal to Germany, (despite the fact that everyone seems to act like the German economy is the holy grail) and above France, Italy, Spain (Large European countries). Our national debt has increased of course during the recession, due to the size of our banking sector, but as a proportion of GDP it is lower than many large developed countries such as Japan, the US, Italy. I dont know what people expect from a government, they cant do magic.
I remember talking to school friends who were always complaining about the government, "this countries gone to the dogs" etc etc. So I asked them, setting aside patriotism etc, if you could chose, where would you have been born and lived rather than the UK? None of them gave an answer - so I really dont go along with the "government has been useless, we need a radical change" argument. Or that immigration of EU membership has somehow ruined the country.
I told you I'd wander off topic! Where am I going?! If you've made it this far, then well done.

In conlcusion: BNP Bad.... I cant remember if I said that yet. By my own admission I am (as a former WoW guildmate put it) a "Wooly Liberal", but I find the BNP disgusting and find it difficult to hold a conversation with anyone who would consider voting for them.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The funny thing is that with millions of Brits working abroad imagine if those countries chucked them out, like what a certain lot are suggesting for people living legally in this country??

[directhex]

Around 5.5 million UK British people live abroad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...s_abroad/html/

It's okay when we do it. We just live in nice little British ex-pat communities, without worrying about learning the local language.

[petercook7]

I never claimed I wasn't a bigot And I don't think *all* unemployed people are lazy chavs - just the ones that would vote BNP!! (See, hardly bigoted at all really!)

You'll be surprised more unemployed chavs etc... vote for labour, than BNP, infact i dont think any unemployed long term would ever vote for BNP. A question , do you have any stats to back up your argument?
BTW i'd vote for BNP.

[Champman99]

http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsa...ion.asp?id=743

This report links BNP support to areas of high unemployment, low average income, low average level of education and other social and economic factors.

There are several articles on this report that sum up its findings published in recent days.

The BNP are fascists, they have close ties to the National Front, and if you look at their allies in their European Grouping there is some very dodgy stuff indeed. They simply are populist to gain more power and if they were (God forbid) to gain that power you'd see what they are really about.

I actually found this article quite interesting although its a few years old (found via source of all semi-factual knowledge Wikipedia)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...ocalgovernment

It's about a woman who actually joined and got elected to local government under the BNP banner, and then discovered the truth about the people she had joined with.

[peterb]

Its a question I certainly have asked myself before. I really may wander way off topic in this post, in fact, I know I will! snip--->

I don't think you have, and really you are answering the hidden question, which is "Why do some people find the BNP manifesto appealing? And there is a subquestion to that which is "who are they?2 - and both of those have been addressed in your follow up and other subsequent posts.