General Election 2010: who did you vote for?

[Phage]

From the BBC updates - GB is briefing from outside No 10.
"1349The prime minister says a fairer voting system is needed."
Funny how he says this after the result.

[oolon]

From the BBC updates - GB is briefing from outside No 10.
"1349The prime minister says a fairer voting system is needed."
Funny how he says this after the result.

True PR says that he should have 66 less MPs! List based PR also means if your at the top of the list of a big party you can never be voted out.

[Gunbuster]

Well I voted, as as the result GB is back in with an even bigger margin in my constituency :/ bunch of idiot football supporters. GB has done bugger all for this area when he has been chancellor and PM. Probably didn't have time for us little people.

Hopes for the up coming deals:

- STV, better chance at getting some of these people out when we need to.
- fairer deal for England (and Wales). It doesn't help where I live - Fife, Scotland - in anyway having such a mess, where Scottish MPs can vote on purely English and/or Welsh matters. The whole of the UK is facing tough times and any unfairness will hurt us all.
- If the Cons get in, be it with backing from a party or parties that represent the other nations of the UK. It's somewhat odd that an unionist party has no representation across the union.

[scaryjim]

If you really want to talk about electoral reform, look at the fact that labour only lost ~ 6% share of the vote, but lost over 25% of their seats. And they say a single vote doesn't matter...

Please God *no* to *bigger* constituencies - MPs are already too far separated from the electorate! How is making each MP (jointly) responsible for representing more people meant to be better!

And finally, a true PR system at this election would've given the BNP 12 seats across the UK, landing them in 5th overall, a little behind UKIP (who would have 18 - 19 seats). It would also rule out all independent candidates (so far we have 1 indie in Northern Ireland).

[oolon]

The thing that bugs me a bit, is the talk from people that "blah" party members will not tolerate whatever. We the people elected them, parties just decided whom should stand. The people have picked the MPs they want now they need to represent their constituents, not just blindly follow their parties.

*Oh what a dreaming fool I am!*

[oolon]

I heard on the BBC that the SNP often works with the conservatives in Scotland in the parliament. Which got me things, if Scotland went away the remaining part of the UK would go strongly blue, and Cameron would have got a majority. I see the westlovian question being brought up again.

[scaryjim]

... if Scotland went away the remaining part of the UK would go strongly blue ...

Speak for your own bit of the UK. If these election results were translated to regional assemblies, we'd have 4 Labour-governed regions (EDIT: including, incidentally, London, in which labour hold 38 of 73 seats...) and 5 Conservative-governed regions - all with majorities in their respective regions. The fact is we have massive regional differences in representation, and our current system simply isn't able to reflect that.

Of the English regions, only the North East has a significantly smaller electorate than Scotland: London and South East have significantly larger electorates. And if the South East went away, Labour would have 25 seats more than the Tories. You really can't simply remove a region from consideration when we're talking about a UK government...

[oolon]

Understood, Scotland however is the only part of the UK which is currently even talking about independence, I was just showing that is would have structural change for the part that remained as well.

[Pob255]

I heard on the BBC that the SNP often works with the single conservative mp in Scotland in the parliament. Which got me things, if Scotland went away the remaining part of the UK would go strongly blue, and Cameron would have got a majority. I see the westlovian question being brought up again.

Just corrected that for you.
EDIT: ok I might have mixed that up, while there is only 1 scotish conservative MP the conservatives hold 17 seats in the parliament.


The SNP is an odd one because much of their policies run far closer to Labour than Conservative, it's just a few issues where it's the oppersit.
The Conservatives have HAD to work with the SNP as they've had no other choise.

I'm not overly surprised by the Scotish side of the election, memories run deep esp the way the conservatives treated scotland as a whole back in the 80's

As to removeing Scotland and then looking at the map, yes it's mostly Blue, and it's mostly open country, look at the urban areas where the majority of the population live and that's where you find the red and yellow.

I'm not saying Labour has been the best of governments, far from it, however at the same time you do have to remember the situation back from before Labour first got into power you also have to look at the larger global situation.
Yes we've run up a large defersit, that's come from 3 main factors.
1- reversing the years of underfunding and deglect that was the legacy the conservatives left from their years in office.
2- proping up the banks, after massive missmanagement and lets face it, fraud, which was the end result of an unregulated free market.
3- a patch up job to keep the british economy a float, please remember that a very large chunk of this public spending goes stright into the private sector and the majority of public sector workers are on the lower ends of the pay scales where the majority of their wages goes back into the local economy.

It's not like Labour where just going to keep on spending reguardless, it was clearly said that the situation could not continue forever and the defersit had to be redressed, just not right at this moement, public spending is acting as a masive prop holding up the UK based private sector, kick it out now and the damage could be disastrous.

[Terbinator]

In all honesty I can't form an opinion on where we should go next. I mean the Tories have the most seats so as suggested by some, Clegg's put himself into a hole of moral obligation to support them. On the other hand I would prefer to see a Lib/Lab (and some) coalition not just for the reason it would keep the Tories out but for this electoral reform to seemingly get some momentum.

I just don't know However it's exciting sat up 'till 4 this morning watching the results come in and was up at 7

[Pob255]

I was watching the channel 4 alternative election night, it was very good and very funny to see that the moement 10 O'clock rolled around and they no longer had any broadcasting restrictions that they really started laying into everyone, quite visiously.

[scaryjim]

Understood, Scotland however is the only part of the UK which is currently even talking about independence, I was just showing that is would have structural change for the part that remained as well.

That's fair enough, but since Cameron has stated very clearly during the campaign that he would not ever consider breaking up the Union, I don't think it's likely to happen, even if it would give the Tories a majority! I'm personally in favour of extreme devolution though, and of course I come from and live in the north, where we would have a majority Labour government now if there was devolved power...

[TAKTAK]

What's the difference between Nick Griffin and a bus?









































A bus has got seats.

[mikerr]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/

Look at the table below comparing seats vs votes:

(its just from the link above, rearranged by votes)

Party 				Seats  Total Votes

Conservative  	                306  	10,706,647  	
Labour 	                        258  	8,604,358 	
Liberal Democrat 	        57	6,827,938	
UKIP				0  	  917,832
British National Party 	        0  	  563,743 	  	
Scottish National Party 	6 	  491,386 	
Green 	                        1  	  285,616 	
Sinn Fein			5  	  171,942
Democratic Unionist Party 	8  	  168,216  	
Plaid Cymru 	              	3  	  165,394 	
Social Democratic & Labour	3 	  110,970 	
Alliance Party 	                1 	   42,762

Now tell me the current voting system is democratic ?

[TooNice]

And this is what we'd get with PR. Due to rounding issues,

Conservative 234
Labour 188
Liberal Democrat 149
UKIP 20
British National Party 12
Scottish National Party 11
Green 6
Sinn Fein 4
Democratic Unionist Party 4
Plaid Cymru 4
Social Democratic & Labour 2
Alliance Party 1

Calculation is based on 649 MP currently elected, though due to rounding issues, 14 had to be dropped.

[santa claus]

What's the difference between Nick Griffin and a bus?

A bus has got seats.

I liked Peter Kay's comment which was something like: "Have you been following all this Election stuff on TV?"

"Anyone of them could be Dorothy."