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    Human Rights

    Where do you draw the line..

    I've just heard on the news that two students have been found guilty of plotting a terrorist attack but have won their court case not to be deported to Pakistan..

    What if they had actaully carried out the attack, what about the human rights of the victims?

    ****ing rediculus..

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    Re: Human Rights

    Two people who've never been convicted of actually commiting any crime allowed to stay because they're at risk of torture and execution at home...

    Security risk or no, it makes us the better society.
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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Salazaar View Post
    Two people who've never been convicted of actually commiting any crime allowed to stay because they're at risk of torture and execution at home...

    Security risk or no, it makes us the better society.
    If they are such risk in Pakistan why have the others gone back?

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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    If they are such risk in Pakistan why have the others gone back?
    No idea, I wasn't on the appeals commission who handed down the judgement. It's fairly unlikely that they would come to any kind of judgement without evidence though, don't you think...?
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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Salazaar View Post
    No idea, I wasn't on the appeals commission who handed down the judgement. It's fairly unlikely that they would come to any kind of judgement without evidence though, don't you think...?
    But why would the same evidence not apply to the others that have already gone back to pakistan!?

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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    But why would the same evidence not apply to the others that have already gone back to pakistan!?
    You're assuming it's the same evidence and circumstances... All we've got to go on is one news report.
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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    FYI this is the story on the BBC site..
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8688501.stm
    There own country?
    If its theres why do they want to blow bits of it up?!
    I think that the point was that Pakistan is their own country, and they are at risk there because of the allegation that they are Al Qaeda operatives. The problem is that the alleged evidence cannot be scrutinised or challenged; it's secret. However, it's worth noting that they were held for two weeks, released without charge and no explosive materials were ever found. Perhaps they are terrorists or wannabe terrorists, but physical evidence supporting that appears sparse to say the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Already back in Pakistan, so if its where they are from why the **** not send them back?
    Because "Mr Justice Mitting said it was impossible to return the men to Pakistan.

    "There is a long and well-documented history of disappearances, illegal detention and of the torture and ill-treatment of those detained, usually to produce information, a confession or compliance,"", and we really shouldn't be sending people into those circumstances where we've effectively painted a target on them saying "torture me" in neon letters a foot high.

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    They come over here pretending to be students, wanna blow stuff up and then when they get caught they dont want to go back to where they were from, talk about a piss take..
    I sympathise, but I find myself agreeing with Gareth Peirce: "If people have committed a crime, put them on trial." - the problem with that being, of course, the increasing use of secret evidence a la the Gitmo method:
    "We've charged you with a crime"
    "Which crime?"
    "I'm sorry, we can't tell you that"
    "What's the evidence against me?"
    "We can't tell you that"
    "Well, can you tell my lawyer?"
    "No, but we can tell OUR lawyer, who we're sticking you with..."
    "I'm screwed, aren't I?"
    "We can't tell you that either"
    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Imagine if during WW2 a bomber pilot was captured in enemy territory and then and then tried to claim that the Germans couldnt send him back because he may or may not be picked on when he gets back...
    In all fairness, we're not talking about "picked on", we're talking about potentially tortured, killed or disappeared which is a little more serious. Ideally, they'd have been arrested, charged, tried, convicted if guilty and then jailed.
    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    ffs boils my piss...
    Suggestion as to where to direct it: "The controversial affair began last April when the Metropolitan Police's then head of counter-terrorism, Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick, accidentally revealed details of the investigation. "

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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    But why would the same evidence not apply to the others that have already gone back to pakistan!?
    Because they're different people.

    Me and my girlfriend have different political leanings. Thankfully we don't live somewhere where one of us might get shot as a result of them.

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    Re: Human Rights

    You can't convict people without evidence. If they really are terrorists then don't you think Mi5 will have their every movement under heavy surveillance?
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    Re: Human Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    ... Imagine if during WW2 a bomber pilot was captured in enemy territory and then and then tried to claim that the Germans couldnt send him back because he may or may not be picked on when he gets back...
    This happened vice versa. A lot of German POWs in England refused to return to Germany after the war and settled in the UK. What happened? We welcomed them with open arms, of course!

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    Re: Human Rights

    The number of Italian chippies and ice cream parlours in the north of Scotland and parts of Wales (as well as other places) post-WW2 speaks of a similar reluctance .

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    Re: Human Rights

    Indeed, my Grandad (by marriage only - my maternal Grandma remarried after her first husband passed away) ended up getting over here on an Italian Bomber!

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