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    How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...ds/8690785.stm

    So a 15 year old kid dies after refusing a blood transfusion because of the magical pixies, the thing is, at what age morally do you become able to make such choices about your own being? Afaik its 13, but should that apply with such matters of life and death?

    I think its tantamount to child abuse to brainwash such nonsense into someone so that they die for beliefs they've been told.

    At what point does it become acceptable? Is it OK to tell children that they should starve themselves else face hell?

    Is it OK to tell children that if they mention what the priest got up to they will be in the internal pain of the devils fires.

    I'm at a total loss as to how we let these sorts of things happen.
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    'I think its tantamount to child abuse to brainwash such nonsense into someone so that they die for beliefs they've been told.'

    Its natural selection at work, the real world is tooth and claw. If he is an r-tard so be it, a world without him will get a average IQ bump.
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    Sadly all to common situation - a person who could be saved wasn't due to religious beliefs.


    I'd argue 18 would be the minimum age, but because it is an issue of religion, it seems fine at any age...

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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    I think I was sufficiently mentally competent at the age of 15 to make a decision like that, so I'm reluctant to say that you should just take away his rights to life/death because he isn't 16/18/21.

    The problem is that it's so fluid. People mature at different ages, so there's no fair way of saying when people can make their own decisions.

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    Unfortunately while I find it stupid in the extreme - and while I imagine most folk here will agree with you - good luck making a difference. Look on the bright side - maybe he was an organ donor...

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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    I have to say if it came to the crunch I'd take the transfusion but then again I'm an atheist so the whole religion thing is a bit of a mystery to me.

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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    I forget who said it however there is a point of view which says 'Believe in religion, because if your Atheist and right or wrong it does not matter, however if you believe and your right things could be better.'

    Personally I would turn that around a bit, we know that NOW exists, we do not know that Later does. Don't sacrifice now in the hope you might have something better later, as your probably be disappointed. I think heaven should just be for Atheists (everyone else its oblivion) as it would wined them up!
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    So at when is it acceptable to die for your beliefs. For example, you might believe that torture is wrong, but by refusing to conduct an act of torture, you face execution? Do you follow your conscience or save your skin?
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    I suppose something this complex can only be done on a case by case basis, if you're mature enough to string together a rational* argument then you're probably mature enough to make the decision. No matter how stupid everyone else might think it is.

    At least the rest of us can breathe easy that darwinian selection is still working to improve some sections of humanity.


    *I don't see religion as rational per say but for the sake of this argument I'll assume it is.
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    It may be stupid or not but he has a belief and a faith and if he wants to do this then its up to him.

    It isn't for us to decide for him. I think though in regards to the question that 18 should be the limit but then the parents would have their say over the whole affair and they could be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    So at when is it acceptable to die for your beliefs. For example, you might believe that torture is wrong, but by refusing to conduct an act of torture, you face execution? Do you follow your conscience or save your skin?
    I don't think that is the right question, I think many people feel the person does not have to do die in this situation, but religious dogma has turned it into a life and death choice, hence the out cry. Personally I believe if someone wishes to die, that is their choice no matter how misguided we might feel they are. We can do what we want with our life, after it its just an end of world simulation of the past.
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    Quote Originally Posted by oolon View Post
    Personally I believe if someone wishes to die, that is their choice no matter how misguided we might feel they are. We can do what we want with our life, after it its just an end of world simulation of the past.
    Ok, but at what age, and what level of mental capacity.
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Ok, but at what age, and what level of mental capacity.
    I don't think that can be given a general answer. If you're capable of rationalising the situation and understanding the consequences you should be allowed to make the choice. How ever stupid everyone else thinks it is.
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    It's difficult imagine that some people still brainwash their children the whore sky fairy tale in this day and age. Then again, at 15 you should be fully self-aware, and intelligent enough to begin questioning preconceptions, given the wealth of information distribution.
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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    He chose that decision, and it was his right to do so, 15 years old isn't young, and if you think it is I'd think again.

    Stating that someone who has died, and decided to possibly die due to his actions as a retard is totally disrespectful and you should be ashamed.

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    Re: How old should you be, before you can take your life with retardedness?

    15 Years old, so he isn't legally allowed to buy cigarettes or Alcohol but it's ok for him to make a decision to refuse live saving treatment resulting in his death.

    hmmmmmmm

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