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    Top Quality Bull

    Rampaging bull injures 40 in Spanish arena

    Well done Bull.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11022260
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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    That's one nimble bull.

    Probably an ex-bull now.

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by GheeTsar View Post
    Probably an ex-bull now.
    Is. Pity it didn't get a few more.
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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    As far as I can tell this wasn't actually a bull fight, the competitors were trying to dodge the bull, so I don't know what is with the hostility everyone is showing.

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by samcross View Post
    As far as I can tell this wasn't actually a bull fight, the competitors were trying to dodge the bull, so I don't know what is with the hostility everyone is showing.
    Yeah. Because after people got bored with dodging the bull, they had absolutely no intention of sticking swords in it.

    I'm sure they were going to take it back to the farm where it would get to help make lots of little cows and bulls who all lived happily ever after.

    Plus, relatively speaking, not a lot of hostility.
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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by samcross View Post
    As far as I can tell this wasn't actually a bull fight, the competitors were trying to dodge the bull, so I don't know what is with the hostility everyone is showing.
    While this particular bull may have not been in a bull fight, I for one think it is great that it is getting its own back for all those other poor bulls that have been!

    Also, it still isn't right to tease the animal and try and dodge it because it is angry, it is still cruel and frankly I think the Spanish should be ashamed at their so called 'sport'.

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by IBM View Post
    Because after people got bored with dodging the bull, they had absolutely no intention of sticking swords in it.
    I won't claim to know anything about recortadores, but is what you are implying based on fact or derived on what is known about bullfighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by IBM View Post
    Plus, relatively speaking, not a lot of hostility.
    That, on the other hand, is definitely an opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by 99Flake View Post
    While this particular bull may have not been in a bull fight, I for one think it is great that it is getting its own back for all those other poor bulls that have been!
    You might have a point if the spectators in this show (specifically those injured) happened to be the very people who supported bullfighting. If not, then I'd say that it's akin to supporting a random tourist getting stomped by an elephant 'to get back at' those who would hunt them for their tusks.

    Quote Originally Posted by 99Flake View Post
    Also, it still isn't right to tease the animal and try and dodge it because it is angry, it is still cruel and frankly I think the Spanish should be ashamed at their so called 'sport'.
    Fair enough as an opinion/argument, but I still disagree for a number of reasons.

    1. I am not sure what happens to the animal at the end of it.
    - As someone who enjoys juicy steaks, I know *I* have no right to cry over an animal being killed.
    - I may object to how they are killed, but only if it is done any worse then they would in a farm. Since it's not a bullfight, I doubt that they are going to give it a slow death just for the lol.
    - I also object to waste. Preferably, a killed bull would be consumed. But frankly speaking, this is not a deal breaker for me: waste probably occurs even in farms.

    2. Though I think there may be a valid argument that it is 'cruel' to use them as entertainment I still can not agree to it. Tigers, bears etc. are used in circus entertainment, yet I hardly ever hear complaints even though they live in captivity, and were probably wiped into submission.

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    I bet it made a nice bit of rump steak

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    You might have a point if the spectators in this show (specifically those injured) happened to be the very people who supported bullfighting. If not, then I'd say that it's akin to supporting a random tourist getting stomped by an elephant 'to get back at' those who would hunt them for their tusks.
    Have to disagree with that; all those present had turned up (and no doubt paid) to be at an event that while not bullfighting per se, is a dubious & arguably cruel organised 'entertainment'. It is not as if the bull had randomly got loose and rampaged out of the arena altogether among streets and the general public. Unlike the bull, the people there chose to be there - so it was at their own risk.

    2. Though I think there may be a valid argument that it is 'cruel' to use them as entertainment I still can not agree to it. Tigers, bears etc. are used in circus entertainment, yet I hardly ever hear complaints even though they live in captivity, and were probably wiped into submission.
    A lot of people certainly are of the opinion that circuses featuring animals are unacceptable and should be a thing of the past by now.
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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    ^ Need to keep this short as I am just waiting for my meal to arrive. I do think people who ate universally against using animal for entertainment have more to stand on than those who are just singling out this because it is 'the thing to do'. Even more so if a vegetarian/vegan were to make the argument (I would throw my hands in the air and say "you win, I am a self-ish bastard who cherish my tastebuds more than the lives of animals).

    Animals do not 'choose' to be eaten, ridden, used as pets/guides/entertainment. Each of us somehow apply our own rules as to what is acceptable and what's not. Some justify as long as they are not harmed, others imply that they should nor be used (with or without conditions)..

    Truth is that under all culture, animals do not possess the same rights as humans. Though I am hardly a fan of bullfighting, I know I would hate to be told I am not allowed to eat beefsteak anymore too. And I can draw similarities in the argument used by vegetarians as the one used against using animals for entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    Animals do not 'choose' to be eaten,
    they should try not to be so tasty then
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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by Behemoth View Post
    I bet it made a nice bit of rump steak
    not really, stressed meat is not nice

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    Quote Originally Posted by GoNz0 View Post
    not really, stressed meat is not nice
    Neither is old meat, all tuff and stringy

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    got to love lamb

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    What about mutton dressed as lamb ?

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    Re: Top Quality Bull

    needs to be slow cooked

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