my help on another forum, gets ugly

I replied to a post on rage3d forums, trying to help someone with there lagging HD with games, little did i know how ugly it would get.

Not sure if this is a good idea posting it here, moderators please delete if it isnt appropriate.

But if anyone has time (quite a bit of reading needed) would you be able to comment on whether im an idiot and deserved what i got or was it the other bloke jonmc33??
(or a bit of both)

Just need independent confirmation, as it seems very unfriendly on there fourms sometimes:rolleyes: not like here :)

Well heres the link if you're interested..
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33704353

What a joke :(

Stick to HEXUS mate, it'd never happen here ;)

what a moron, the most dangerous people are the ones who think they know it all, but don't

he's not as technical as he makes out.. i noticed quite a few areas where he was totally wrong in his technical arguements

Lol

I think you ran into Simpsons Comic Book Guy :D


'Wait, so you only have experience with Windows XP? How long have you worked in the IT industry? What's your experience? '
http://homepage.smc.edu/nestler_andrew/frinkcbg.jpg

:rolleyes: unfortunately theres always someone who thinks they have more 'experiance' than you and love to shout out how little you know....
:rolleyes: and someone how loves himself a little to much

Ravens Nest, the man's a complete clown; it's perfectly possible in 2K to set the paging file to 0 min, 0 max, reboot (ignore the error, Windows will create a temp pageing file of about 20MB in size, but it'll vanish when you create a permanent pagefile), defrag until you're happy, then recreate a static swapfile (whatever min/max required). It'll try to bung it in the largest area of free contiguous space. I do it as a standard part of every 2K machine setup so I don't end up with fragged pagefiles.

sounds a bit of a tw*t to me mate - fortunately it wouldn't happen here

fair nuff everyone is entitled to their opinions (however misguided & incorrect they are - as per nichomach's post!) but there are ways & means of expressing & supporting your opinions other than riteous indignation at the very suggestion you may not be 100% correct, 100% of the time

i know its easier said than done, but just ignore him...he's obviously more concverned with havign a good argument & showing off what he thinks is his technical expertise to everyone than he is in helping anybody. u generally find not rising to it winds this sort of person up a treat

take comfort in the fact that this sort of person will never take telling or know when to just shut up, let it lie & accept that someone else may just know better, sooner or later he'll correct the wrong person in the wrong situation & will be left in no doubt as to the inappropriateness of his behaviour :D

Maybe i'm missing something but Jonmcc33's first post said this....

"Get another 512MB RAM and just drop your paging file like a rock."

That seems to be the correct answer to me, if the guys got a gig of memory and he reduced his paging file, he's unlikely to get half as much hd lag as he would have been.

If it just stopped there it would have been fine. Personally i don't see much wrong with either of your comments.

Too much is played into what people say sometimes, - Hey i have the same feeling on here, People know i'm as subtle as a sledgehammer, but i only get angry with posts if i think they are giving deliberate miss information and i don't think thats the case here.

TiG

What a joke :( Stick to HEXUS mate, it'd never happen here :)
Thanks agent, i do most of the time, it's just its a site for radeon help (Supposedly) and i do find some good information there and have helped some other people as well, but some very opinionated people are on there making you feel like not going there no more sadly :( (the very vocal minority i call them):p

what a moron, the most dangerous people are the ones who think they know it all, but don't he's not as technical as he makes out.. i noticed quite a few areas where he was totally wrong in his technical arguements
Yeah thats what i thoughts exactly 1lv3r:p

We all make mistakes sometimes, i dont remember everything i read and i try to answer as best as i can if someone corrects me i read it and decide if they are right about what i said if not i have to disagree.

Some of his arguments were flawed but i didnt want to reply about them being wrong as he had a screw loose i think and doesnt take kindly to critism ( i know i've spelt that wrong he he).

Lol I think you ran into Simpsons Comic Book Guy 'Wait, so you only have experience with Windows XP? How long have you worked in the IT industry? What's your experience? '
:p im going to imagine him saying it in that voice now :D
Thanks skii made me laugh :) 'Worst ending ever':p

unfortunately theres always someone who thinks they have more 'experiance' than you and love to shout out how little you know.... and someone how loves himself a little to much
He reminded me of jimmy hart (off the WWF) running around with a megaphone attached to his mouth!

I think his room is cover with awards from when he was in the boy scouts and every room in his house has a mirror on the ceiling.

Thanks for the reply kaillum :)

Ravens Nest, the man's a complete clown; it's perfectly possible in 2K to set the paging file to 0 min, 0 max, reboot (ignore the error, Windows will create a temp pageing file of about 20MB in size, but it'll vanish when you create a permanent pagefile), defrag until you're happy, then recreate a static swapfile (whatever min/max required). It'll try to bung it in the largest area of free contiguous space. I do it as a standard part of every 2K machine setup so I don't end up with fragged pagefiles.
nichomach thanks for the info, i havent a clue about 2000, but at least the clown doesnt either lol

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Originally posted by petrefax
sounds a bit of a tw*t to me mate - fortunately it wouldn't happen here

fair nuff everyone is entitled to their opinions (however misguided & incorrect they are - as per nichomach's post!) but there are ways & means of expressing & supporting your opinions other than riteous indignation at the very suggestion you may not be 100% correct, 100% of the time

i know its easier said than done, but just ignore him...he's obviously more concverned with havign a good argument & showing off what he thinks is his technical expertise to everyone than he is in helping anybody. u generally find not rising to it winds this sort of person up a treat

take comfort in the fact that this sort of person will never take telling or know when to just shut up, let it lie & accept that someone else may just know better, sooner or later he'll correct the wrong person in the wrong situation & will be left in no doubt as to the inappropriateness of his behaviour :D

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Yeah i do wish i didnt rise to the bait, it kept the thread going way too long and he didnt listen anyway.

I was glad i realised when i was wrong, he like you said didnt.

I suppose people like him get strength from a reply, and feel ignored when they dont get one.

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Originally posted by TiG
Maybe i'm missing something but Jonmcc33's first post said this....

"Get another 512MB RAM and just drop your paging file like a rock."

That seems to be the correct answer to me, if the guys got a gig of memory and he reduced his paging file, he's unlikely to get half as much hd lag as he would have been.

If it just stopped there it would have been fine. Personally i don't see much wrong with either of your comments.

Too much is played into what people say sometimes, - Hey i have the same feeling on here, People know i'm as subtle as a sledgehammer, but i only get angry with posts if i think they are giving deliberate miss information and i don't think thats the case here.

TiG

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Yeah if he left it there it would not have been bad advice, but i did get the feeling that bootvi didnt want to spend any money so suggested some pagefile optimisations and thats when i woke the sleeping giant:eek:

I thought some of his information was useful to bootvi and me also.

Yeah it was the mis-information that revved up my engine:mad: so i eventually had to retaliate.

But im done with him now, thanks for all your replys everyone.

At least i know now i wasnt just being stubborn, and ignoring what he was saying which would have caused him offence.

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Originally posted by nichomach
Ravens Nest, the man's a complete clown; it's perfectly possible in 2K to set the paging file to 0 min, 0 max, reboot (ignore the error, Windows will create a temp pageing file of about 20MB in size, but it'll vanish when you create a permanent pagefile), defrag until you're happy, then recreate a static swapfile (whatever min/max required). It'll try to bung it in the largest area of free contiguous space. I do it as a standard part of every 2K machine setup so I don't end up with fragged pagefiles.

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I just realised you posted on that thread on there forum:D
Watch he dont start on you m8:p

Well, I did skip the part before the semi-colon, so he doesn't really have an excuse, but I thought a gentle correction would be in order. :D

He neglects the fact that a pagefile is used with XP even if it is set to 0. Ive tried. (dunno bout other Os')

Got a gig of ram, tried setting it to 0 and my "pagefile useage" in taskmanager was still 190meg!?
Ive tried sticking my pagefile on another drive, and yes, it was faster in windows, especially when multitasking thru half a dozen programs and loading times were better.

I do agree with him on some things like you're not gonna see *that* much improvement from disk to disk, nor will u really see faster frame rates cause everything is preloaded into ram. However the way he comes across he sounds like a moron, just ignore him

If Bootvi wants to get rid of harddisk lags between map loads then get a ramdrive, cause current harddisk technology is crap. No new harddisk or tweak is gonna see harddisk reading increase so much you're not gonna feel the read times between maps.

Not to mention that with stuff like photoshop will wibble a lot if you don't at least give them their own scratchdisks..

Ho yes - and 3D Studio whines if there's no pagefile as well.

Most of the high resource programs for imaging (3D studio max, maya, LW, photoshop ect..) all throw a fit if there is no page file.

Well i've left one last message for him, i'll see how he replys..
I think i'll just put him on ignore :)

He's definetly a Big-head though

people like that couldnt find their ar*e with both hands
i also rad your bios and settings thread which i thought was rather good and helpfull yet you still get the ignorant jerks who really havent a clue and if you went round their house to help them out youd find their pc is nothing like what they are complaining to you about
if they know better why do they need your advice

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Originally posted by CrapshoT
people like that couldnt find their ar*e with both hands
i also rad your bios and settings thread which i thought was rather good and helpfull yet you still get the ignorant jerks who really havent a clue and if you went round their house to help them out youd find their pc is nothing like what they are complaining to you about
if they know better why do they need your advice

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He's a very strange individual, keeps telling me how many degrees and awards he has and that he has his own website and works for the military.. but my response is no matter what qualifcations you have you can still help someone with there problem that does not take any degrees or grades to do, just patience.

I know i never took the career path i should have, im 29 now and work for a distribution warehouse, even though my talents do lie in computers (i've messed with different one's since i was 11 years old) just cause i dont have the qualifications he has doesn't mean i cant help people or understand what IT people are talking about most of the time..:rolleyes:

Actually im am trying to rectify that, im on a PC masters degree course at the moment :), but even if i pass it and do well i wouldnt talk down to people the way he do's..

He also has this strange idea everytime i reply to him i am saying he is 100% wrong all the time :confused: cuckoo!!

Thanks Crapshot for the thumbs up on my Epox 8RDA+ bios and settings thread, it means a lot m8;)

Also to everyone here, im not replying to that thread anymore, unless Bootvi asks me something.:p

CrapshoT, do you think i should transfer that bios tweak guide to here?

You were giving good, solid advise I reckon, guys just an ar*e, showed himself up imo. whew, mammoth read btw :)

I know i was supposed to be studying, i took hours writing to him...what a waste :p

correct me if i'm wrong, but windows will make a point of keeping very unused stuff paged to ensure more free memory for running programs. disabling a page file will lead to a slower pc than one WITH a page file, as you have less free RAM for memory-hungry apps. the convention is to have a static 2.5x page file (1280mb for 512mb ram) to ensure that if it needed to, you could page all ram out to let something big in. and even with a gig of ram, something like Eclipse and Photoshop will make the pagefileless man cry when it just freezes up.

Yep, absolutely right geezerbird, gotta have a pagefile m8 ;)

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Originally posted by Donny John
Yep, absolutely right geezerbird, gotta have a pagefile m8 ;)

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oh oh i think this topic here on 'my help on another forum, gets ugly' has just got ugly as well as my rage3d post..:eek:

geezerbird?? directhex you cant stand for that can ya?:p

It's an old joke, soooo many people think he's a girl on the forums you see, no offence he knows that :p :)

I knew it was a joke, i wasnt here when it originated though :p
I once called him a girl, my mistake funny though:D

Sort of back on topic, i stick my pagefile at 1532 fixed size even though i have 1gb of ram i still need the pagefile on, but messing with the size do's seem to help dont about know about setting it at 2.5 x though (seems a little large having a 2560 size pagefile) as i find 1532 the best setting for me so far anyway.

Im not sure myself exactly how pagefile works, but you're right directhex about it still being needed even with 1gb of ram it seems to store files that get used a lot, when i first set the pagefile it takes a while to build up to 1532 i find even after a restart that it has stored useful (and useless) files i regularly use in it but the problem i have with it is it takes a while to flush files that are not used much, so getting it the right size seems to be the key for keeping it lean and not too cumbersome.

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Originally posted by Ravens Nest
CrapshoT, do you think i should transfer that bios tweak guide to here?

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thats a great idea m8 ;) well worth a sticky my rad 9700 is runnin sweet after i did the recomended settings pity there wasnt a indepth thread about the asus a7n8x mobo set up
get it on !!!!!!! its a must :p

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Originally posted by CrapshoT
thats a great idea m8 ;) well worth a sticky my rad 9700 is runnin sweet after i did the recomended settings pity there wasnt a indepth thread about the asus a7n8x mobo set up
get it on !!!!!!! its a must :p

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o.k. i will m8, glad it helped you so much.

I read loads of tips and when i found the sweet spot, i kept reading people having loads of problems with radeon 9700 so thought i'd post it.:D