I thought of this question at lunch,
In your own opinion, what makes Great Britain Great? (In a patriotic sense)
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I thought of this question at lunch,
In your own opinion, what makes Great Britain Great? (In a patriotic sense)
Her Armed Forces.
I think that's an old name from the time when Brittain was in a lot of wars. They were very big on the seas with thier big navy. Therefore I think they called themselfs for "The Great Brittan". I might have wrong? Prove me ;)
Sorry to not support Britain atm....but
I dont think that Britain is great at the moment, neither Home or Abroad. Everything seems to be going a different way to us.
Cant really think of anything that currently would make Britain Great, save England in the Rugby world cup, (sorry to bring it up again) and thats not even Britain...so i dont know really.
Maybe 100 years ago in the Industrial revolution, when we were pretty much the nation to beat, but since then we have slowly gone down hill. I think that we relie too much on importing products that producing our own.
EDIT: Reading Skii's post....also the armed forces as they do a good and professional job..struggling to think of other things though.
i think he meant what did *WE* think made britain great....
I think it's the amount our country does for other countries while the people we're helping are blowing up our families and friends in the armed forces, yet we still keep giving them houses, and food, and clothes and places to stay, rent free. ahh we're such a GREAT country.... feel the love... pass it on... (god how perverted does that sound :S)
I could name quite a few things it isn't, Tony Blair, the Railways, Prince Charles
That post makes me want to eat my moniter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmo
I have to agree with you one that one. Britain once was Great (with the Empire and all) but now we have really gone downhill.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenPiggy
I also agree with Skii, Britains armed forces are "the jewl in the crown" at the moment, in comparison with such thing like Tony Blair
Tony Blair is a hypocrital B*****D! Hes commited to the "war on terror" yet he condems the isrealies for fighting their own war against people who are comiting acts of terror against them.
People then say "But hes using tanks against people with just a few firearms"
Yet its fine for america and UK to use Bunker buster bombs and Harrir fighter jets against countries whos AA is limited to a guy with an RPG...
The worlds "supoer powers" are simply bullies and deserve anything they get.
Falcon
Edit: an before anyone asks, I AM british but I'm certainly not proud of it.
Wooooaaaahh hang on there one secondQuote:
Originally Posted by Falcon2004
So you are saying Israel is fighting a just war on terrorism, but America and the UK are not ?
Doesn't the guy with the RPG against the mighty armed force also apply to Israel v Palestine ?
The British people is what makes Great Britain great, not the politicans, the armed forces, but the jo average man in the street.
Exactly, thats my whole point, Tony Blair condems them for doing that yet "we" are doing exactly the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skii
Ah right - sorry the way i read it I thought you were pro-Israeli (if there are such people lol !!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon2004
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lol, I'm not pro anything that involves war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skii
People often get the idea from my extremist liberal views that I'm not a patriot and not proud to be British......but I am....very.
I'm proud that we were the first first world country to abolish slavery; and that our empire, while far from perfect, was the least exploitative of any first world country.
I'm proud that our ancestors fought and died to save Europe from Totalitarianism.
I'm proud that, again although we're far from perfect, we're probably the most racially integrated and tolerant nation in the world. I'm proud that abortion and homosexuality are legal, and that our laws enshrine the principle that no-one can be descriminated against for reasons of gender, race, sexual orientation, religion or disability.
I'm proud that we (via Aneurin Bevin) pretty much invented the idea of the NHS.
I'm proud that we still have the fourth largest economy in the world.
I'm proud that Britons spend on average 18 minutes a day laughing, and that Bill Bryson wrote (possibly paraphrasing): "The British are the happiest people in the world. Watch any two Britons in conversation and see how long it is before they smile or laugh over a joke or pleasantry."
I could probably go on if I wasn't so drunk. There's plenty to moan about in this country, and I'm often the first to do it. I moan not because I hate this country but because I'm proud to be a part of our great society and I want to make it even better.
Rich :¬)
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There's nothing Great, there are things that as rich has said we should and are proud of, but I'm not proud of the fact that most of the things that we where leading the world in are now jokes.
The health service is f**ked, the education system is f**ked, the tax system is f**ked, housing is f**ked, transport is f**ked, I could go on like this all night long.
I dare somebody to find something that there isn't a problem with.
Britain’s armed forces? maybe the way there doing things is showing up the Americans in Iraq and I know were supposed to get behind our troops out there (and I am), but if you look at the organisation of it all: the equipment is well below par and a lot of the time not there, logistics fail regularly, cut backs are causing huge problems, cover ups and then you have the bullying.
It's the same problems with everything else, incompetence at the top.
And before something thinks I’m slagging of Tony Blare and Labour, the previous Government (Margaret Thatcher and the Cons) is as much to blame for the current situation as the present one. I wont be voting anytime in the near future until the ineptitude has gone.
why u want to eat ur monitor? i cant tell if u agree or disaggree with it
oh and if you disagree, then maybe i should point out that it was a subtle use of sarcasm... incase you didnt pick that up from the post itself :D
sorry not to be patrotic but britain ain't great, we've had our time and now its all going down hill
I did detect the sarcasm, i want to eat my moniter cos even joking about things like that makes me wanna ram a steel rod through something...Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmo
Edit: In fact, im gonna leave this thread before I insult sum1 and get kicked out :)
If I remember history lessons correctly, it was the fact that we had the industrial revolution first.
Can't think of anything that's particularly great about our country at the moment. (well apart from us anyway)
Ah! People, people. You ARE Britain.
'It' doesn't just go down hill. How you choose to live, how you choose to work. Whether you choose to encourage and support and strengthen and challenge, or complain, ignore, and become apathetic is up to you.
Many things may not be where you think they should be, but they're vastly better than a lot of other places. What's more, things don't have to be perfect or near perfect to be positive about them. Criticism really needs to be constructive, or else it's pointless or destructive.
Out of curiosity - what would the ideal be in a lot of these issues, or for a country?
:)
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
--Samuel Johnson
It doesn't matter how i choose to do anything I can be the nicest person on earth and still be surrounded by morons and people that give scum a good name. And it has just gone down hill, the only time you'll see true patriotism is during any international sporting event, war's, elections, jubilee's and even st george's day have got nothing of the patriotism shown during a world cup tbh, england flags flying everyone suddenly that bit more cheerful. This is a country that ruled the world, fought in-summountable odd's during both world war's and started and industrial revoloution. yet all that brings us together these days is to watch a game of football.
Isn't it only me that finds this sad?
tbh this country has serious problems, and the fact that it seems to be filling up with idiots is only one of them.
That's a comment on scoundrels, not patriotism - Sam Johnson was a patriot.Quote:
Originally Posted by directhex
"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious"
Oscar Wilde
At least we have these facilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devilbod
What do you guys say patriotism is - practically speaking? And where do you say it comes from?
I agree Knox that it is sad that it's only the odd football game that brings people together. But why can't people make an effort to be more 'patriotic' or 'come together' more, or for different reasons?
I think a lot of anti-patriotic talk is birthed by the P.C. plague which besets us.
Bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0iD
The people who died on the beaches on D-Day, fighting for our freedom, are what makes Britain great.
The Chavs who use this freedom to spend their days nicking cars and writing on walls are what drags us back down.
I really hate this "Britain is going downhill" attitude. It really gets on my nerves. Most people on these forum, myself included, are not even 30 (well, I just scrape in there :eek: ) yet we are quick to slag off the country that we live in.
I'm no nationalist, and some would say I'm no patriot either, but in certain ways I am proud of what Britain has achieved. Think of what Britain has provided to the world:
- Representative Democracy
- Western based legal framework of justice and the presumption of innocence before guilt
- Social welfare
- Universal healthcare
- The steam engine
- The jet engine
Britain is the most racially tolerant and ethnically diverse country I have ever been to. People who say that our healthcare, trains, schools and whatnot are **** have obviously not travelled a great deal. When you have witnessed people physically living in a gutter, with NOTHING at all, and with no way out, then you might not have the same opinions.
Britain is not perfect. Domestic violence, crap weather, alcoholism, the Daily Mail and a certain modern streak of selfishness do not help, but on the whole I think it is a country we can be proud of. People are willing to risk their lives to get here ffs!
What makes Britain great? Pub gardens on a lazy Sunday afternoon in July.
At this EXACT moment in time absolutley begger all! However take 1 look at our history.
What makes Britain Great?
I think its the silly small quirky things as well as the big things like our Armed Forces etc.
Things like - Fish & Chip shops, Milkmen, greasy fry ups, pubs, Sunday Roast, old ladies who waffle to you on the bus/in the corner shop, 'Nil' points at Eurovision, Jensen Button (atm), the BBC - no matter how pants it is!, TEA!! we are all obsessed with Tea! :), Marmalade and toast (yuk), good manners, Cadbury's, London (ok so London isnt small!), Red Buses, Cabbies who cant speak english.........
to name just a few - but thats my opinion!
:rant: Caution Extreme Rant! :rant:
OK, so the Great part of Britain is the charcter of the people and in the same breath you've hit it's greatess downfall - selfishness.
Also what do we do, keep looking at the great things that we've done, history, the past.
If things are getting worse now imagine what the future might hold. I want to know that my children (god help people if I'm allowed to multiply :devilish: ) are going to be happy, safe and loved at the moment that doesn't really look likely, more like stressed, overworked and on razors edge of falling into debt.
Looking at the presant example - A District Nurse now 60 and still working becuase over the last 20 years the wage increase has been less than that of infation and tax has gone up in clever little ways and to keep ahead of things they have slowy got into to more debt, the most they might earn is about 25k a year (before tax), they have spent a great part of there life caring for people that are dieing, to put it really bluntly they watches people die, not an easy job and one that only a few could cope with.
Lets just look at the RCN the Nurses union, they have managed to get themselves in real debt (Millions) and to combat this they are charging nurses more and more, it's not like us were they can refuse it and carry on working they have to be a member to work.
You know what they get for this membership, not proper representation and wages, no.. the RCN spends it's entire time crawling up the governments arse. Oh and thanks to our wonderfull legal system the Nurse can get sued at any moment and take the full blame for any mistake. They don't even get a proper ID card, it a buisness card not even laminated.
Oh do they get insurance or health cover no, the NHS covers itself by changing the poilicy on how to do things almost every year, how you lift patents for example so if after x amount of years service you end up with an injury - you can't touch them, and the RCN does nothing.
Can they do anything about it no, why because generaly nurses are caring people who do what is really a pritty nasty physical and emotional job and at the end of the day they are exhausted. And managment know this and know that they can quiet happily walk all over them 'keep them down and they will stay down'. At the end of the day they don't want to risk saying this or that is wrong because of the risk to there job, the latest trick with Management is to give tasks to people who are less quallified and then not pay them a penny more, meanwhile cutting back on staff.
I could start telling you about whats wrong with a lot of the things in and out of the NHS, and I don't mean petty little things I mean people having to watch there loved ones die in extreme pain, not nice but true, and why? because of money, either they don't like using the best possible drugs because it costs to much, is too difficult to set up, or that they a scared because of the legal aspect if they are wrong. And it's not just drugs, the proper matress to make sure the pateint doesn't get bed sores and other thing like that.
A man goes into to hospital after wait for 3 years for an operation to his knee that will stop the pain everytime he walks, giving him a better quaility of life, in hospital in the bed wait to go in after 3 long years theres a 19 year old girl, she's there to have a birth mark removed off her leg, she's had to wait only 2 weeks to get this op - why because she'll look good on the waiting lists becuase she'll only be in for 24 hours, and requires no after care.
That just skimming the surface really, infact I'd be very supprised if that 0.001% of the problems and damage done by Governments and Managment.
So whats really Great about Great Britain is it's abillity to turn everyone into a money value, but keep us all well and truly under the heel because all we do is grin and bear it.
Rant over :)
Sorry reading that back it is a bit extreme but I feel a bit better for it :D Just a grumpy old man at heart really :)
that's so weird, without even reading this thread i was going to say, sitting around a pub bench on your sunny day off conversing pleasantly with friends. and having the freedom to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBeeeenster
i think it was knox who said that people only really seem to get patriotic nowadays when it's an important football game on, and i'd have to totally agree, it is a damn shame that this seems to be the only time people get like this, but at the end of the day, i'd rather they did about this then nothing at all, it always seems like the 1 time that the country allows itself to let it's metaphorical hair down and brings communities together.
there are so many topics to discuss on the subject of britain though.
one thing to be proud of is the bbc that doesn't censor itself to comform with government wishes in return for a little financial gain, unlike other companies *cough* murdoch *cough* through out the world that seem to have coincidences with the way they report the news and their political persuasion. coincidence or hidden motive maybe, i don't know.
What makes Britain great is our history. We are a declining nation looking back at a fallen empire. Current British society and popular culture are an insult to those who have gone before us.
I personally think Britain as a whole has a lot going for it. I mean, it's not that bad, is it, really. At least we have a reasonable standard of living, most of us scrape by. Poverty isn't what it used to be, say 100 years ago.
My belief is that it's our attitude to life that sets us apart. Whether it's the 'Dunkirk Spirit', or the fact that we jan make a joke from almost anything & laugh at ourselves. We lead the world in the sense of humour stakes, but when the going gets tough, we get on with the job in hand & do it to the best of our abilities.
I am proud to be British, I've travelled well & there's no place I'd rather be. Basically, it's up to us to make Britain great, because no one else can.
What makes Britain great is the French translation of Big which is Grand which is a reference to "Grand Bretagne" which means, "big Brittany", it comes from when the French ruled Britain, just before the Germans took over.
Well said that man.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBeeeenster
God I swear I heard 'Englands green and pleasant fields' in the background there..
And I'm damn pround of our queues, we are the worlds experts at queuing :D
Britain is great because of the people, I agree with that, the thing is that theres a lot of people in this country that arent British and the more we interact with them the more we loose what makes us British, they are for want of a better way of putting it diluting what makes us British....
Great Britain is the amalgamtion of England, Wales and Scotland.
The United Kingdom is England (Wales) with Scotland and Northern Ireland.
What makes Britain Great:
1. The weather
2. Most of the people
LOL, sorry I read that and instantly thought "maybe we should be renamed from 'Great Britain' to 'Not That Bad Britain'?" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 0iD
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The greatness of a country, to me, is not defined by its history to a great degree and certainly not by inventions that individuals have come up with - it has to be by the people that make that society and the image presented to the rest of the world.
Alas, I think the quality of our society has degraded over the years and our image is not as whiter-than-white as we would like (biting my tongue at the possible rant about being a "mini America" which could be a large factor in this).
What makes Britain "great"? Search me.
I'm off to Sweden shortly, the main 2 reasons (aside from my girlfriend) are the population density and the attitude of the people.
Little things like that fact that it is not their nature to drop litter, they speak their minds, they despise commercialism (things like TV adverts for kids toys are banned as they are aimed at creating pressure on parents), they have had (proper) sexual equality for years.
Conversely I remember growing up in Hull and the distinctly uncomfortable feeling I got when I moved to the south of Manchester at 16 - I started to see increased homelessness, heard stories of friends being mugged, gang-related activities, mindless acts of vandalism - I began to feel very nervous.
It could be I have led a sheltered life (Hull is a dead-end place anyway, and I spent 16 years there), and maybe it was a culture shock - but this was 13 years ago now and I have witnessed it get gradually more depressing.
I am proud to be British and proud of what it used to be, but I don't want to be here any more.
It could be in the genes I guess - my parents moved to California and my uncle & his family moved to France LOL.
Before my time, but I get the impression Britain was at its "greatest" when it used to have national pride and things like street parties to celebrate royal weddings took place (though rather ironically I'm not a royal fan).
That's the best single image I can put in my mind which exemplifies a friendly society where people look out for each other.
The other extreme of fierce national pride I find distasteful, though, which is why I could never live in the US.
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England......for me.....ready:)
In May and June, its the warm sun and the wet grass....the blue sky and the sound of an old plane motoring across the sky. Its (as Hat said) lying on your back, in the grass, with a blade of gras in your teeth, looking up a the sky and sucking the sap out of the grass, with nothing to worry about except whether to have a cold lager or a glass of wine.
Its BBQ's with your friends...its fast motorbikes in the distance giving it large, its TVR's rumbling past on the way to their favourite road...is hot tarmac smells.
Its sitting in the garden with a glass of wine and thinking of nowt but the smell of the mown lawn.
And in winter England really shines...its KNOWING its gonna rain.....its KNOWING its gonna be cold....and its retiring for a week to a Yorkshire country cottage, lighting a fire, making soup from whatever vegetables you have and planning tomorrows walk in the hills....drying the coats, getting the boots clean and working out which small town butcher to go to, to get the breakfast sausages and bacon.
Its being able to drive for less than an hour in ANY DIRECTION with nowt but a map and finding a CASTLE to explore :)
England is being sl close to other beautifull countries like Scotland and Wales and Ireland that you can visit them in your car and see a different way of life.....less stressfull, more peacefull.
England is having an airport nearby so when you talk to a load of people on a web site they can fly to within half an hour of your house and be LANNING within a few hours (eh Tumble mate?)
Its having a country so small, that disliking your job but having a friend pop in for 15 minutes can make all the difference (cheers Moby, Jiff, Skii and David :) )
I like my country....and I like it alot
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Originally Posted by Zak33
Damn straight :) Also I think Skii was right in his first post there - HM armed forces do us proud... they did us prouder in WWII mind..... bearing in mind that Britain was just about the only country in Europe (aside from Switzerland. I think) not broken by Herr Hitler when he tried it on in the 30s and 40s...
Little green-eyed monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blub2k
lmao, not jealous man.
Is the truth sore or what?
ah right you dont speak french "anymore" now you speak angel-sachsen you know the angels and the sachsens, North Germans? Please put me straight on any of my historical fact thanks.
silly Blub2k, silly!
next you'll suggest that the german royal family renamed from the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to House of Windsor in the 1910's as a publicity exercise
Now why would I do that?
So hands up who dislikes the Germans?
Alle nun, haendchen hoch jungs und maedels, kommt, lasst uns sehen.
If you can point out where I questioned the valiidity of the facts in your statement, please do, me old mucker, and all shall be well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blub2k
You just seem a little bitter and angry about something, that comes to the surface whenever England, Britain, or America is mentioned. Wondered if jealously was the cause of this, or something else?
To use a phrase in your own style: Is that jealously still sore, or what? :D
I might be wrong of course, but you do seem to have issue's on this subject, and I notice you were unable to contribute to the thread topic, and give reasons why Britain is great, without changing things around, so that they suited the way you like to behave on these issues.
To be honest, I was waiting for you to post, as I was interested to see if you could just contribute, or would have to try and have a dig. I knew it would be the latter, but the wait was interesting none the less.
Anyway, you are now free to return to posting 'hilarious' poems about how the American forces in Iraq have no balls, in the Question Time forum, and lets say no more about it.
;)
Yep Empire and the injustice that it entails makes me angry, guilty.
Forgive and forget Blubby, you gorgeous little mushroom!
We can't all go around hating the Germans still, all these years after WWII.
Hating us now, for the Empire and 'the injustice it entails' makes as much sense as me hating you, for the IRA Birmingham pub bombings, or a million other examples.
Have a jaffa cake and a cup of tea, and let sleeping dogs lie. :D
So patronise me, if that makes you feel better, a mushroom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaul
You would be surprised how many British hate the Germans.
I dont hate the British, my fiancee is English. The British are still trying to extend their empire and Iraq is a reason so your point is moot anyway.
Patronise me again...ow...or something.
It wasn't an attempt to patronise, more an attempt to lighten the tone, of course, your negative outlook on these sort of things didn't allow you to see this. Nevermind.
The British are trying to 'extend the Empire'? Hardly. No more than the Irish are trying to extend theirs, by gaining land via the threat of terrorism.
Start a thread in Question Time if you like mate, and we can discuss the whole issue in more detail, in a forum more suited to those discussions. I'm sure it would be interesting to cross swords with someone of your viewpoint.
:D
Lmao, this has to be one of the silliest things that I have ever read, it may be worth starting a thread alright if not only to educate you on "Irish Empire" although that is the first time I have ever heard that phrase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaul
Only about as silly as the claim that we are fighting in Iraq to 'extend our Empire'.
I think you can put a closer link between Irish terrorism and the wish to gain Northern Ireland, than you can on the British trying to extend their 'Empire' into Iraq, wouldn't you say?
You're right though - 'Irish' and 'Empire' doesn't go together very well (funny that), perhaps I should have said 'extend their boarders'.
Educate all you like mate - last time I checked, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland were two different places. Or do you dispute this fact?
Tut tut my vegetables :devilish:
I dont think Britain or Ireland has any intentions of expanding their Empires.
Vaul the IRA are not the Irish and tbh I think most Irish people couldnt give a **** about gaining more land.
As for people hating the Brits hating the Germans and the Irish hating the British i'm afraid it is true of quite a few people I've met. Although suspicious is probably a more correct term for the feelings involved.
Indeed, and the British people are not the British forces in Iraq, although I can see how you could be proud of the Brits in Iraq. Not so sure on the IRA, however...Quote:
Originally Posted by turkster
Exactly. I was just saying that its as silly to say the Irish are extending their 'empire' via the whole Northern Ireland situation, as it is to say that the British are trying to open up a Middle-Eastern branch of their 'empire' by starting with Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by turkster
Scary thing is, I think some people actually believe the British \ Iraq thing is true.
Takes all sorts, doesn't it? :D
this is NEARLY worth puting in the debating forum, innit?
Vaul was trying to lighten it a little...I saw it like that....so it might be time to avoid this subject in here....as it is supposed to be quite Pro England....not a political attack or defense....a warm cuddly English thread....like Cucumber sarnies and Pimms with lemonade ;)
Yes but I wasnt implying that the the modern IRA was anything to be proud of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaul
It is the Brit Gov more than the Brit Forces that are responsible for Brits involvement the Iraq war and it is possible to support the brit forces without supporting the cause.
I think there are questions to be asked about the reasons that the Brit Gov decided to move into Iraq without the backing of the UN.
I was, I really was. Still, you can read it how you like on the net.Quote:
Vaul was trying to lighten it a little...I saw it like that
I could have used a smilie I suppose, to hammer the point home, but I thought it would be Ok 'as is'. :D
I know mate, just pointing out that the British government does not represent the views of the British people. I didn't even vote Labour. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by turkster
I think this thread should be chopped in half, and the latter half (everything post-Blubs comments, or my making an issue of his comments :D) should be sent to Question Time.Quote:
I think there are questions to be asked about the reasons that the Brit Gov decided to move into Iraq without the backing of the UN.
Let the mods decide!
Exactly my intentionQuote:
Originally Posted by Zak33
Maybe I should have asked, whats the best thing about Britain instead?
In no particular order;
1. Habeas Corpus
2. We're an island
3. Multiculinarianism (It's my word and I'm sticking to it :) )
4. The Full English
5. We drive on the right side of the road, i.e. the left :devilish:
On the subject of the empire my favourite humorous quote is;
"Why does the sun never set on the British empire - because God wouldn't trust an Englishman in the dark !!"
Have started a new thread in Question time.
Hope to see some of you there.
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Originally Posted by Auran
oh mate....so very very right :D
With the weather we are having right now... barbecues spring to mind. Friends/family enjoying a few beers in the afternoon sunshine having a barbecue :D heaven
What makes Britain great?
* Our Monarchy "For Queen and Country" (Queenie - probably the only person in the world that can reduce G.W Bush (and any other world leader) to a quivering nervous wreck just by looking at him).
* Tea and Buiscuits
* Full English Brekky
* Having 4 different "countries" inside us, each with their own unique culture, likes, dislikes but all brought together in unity under the banner of Her Magesty.
* Our previous military conquests
But to be honest i don't think GB is all that great no more. We ride on the last 500 years and we have not really done anything noteworthy in the last hundred (apart from the two world wars but that was out of desperation rather than any aspirations of greatness). We used to be an industrial superpower, we are not now. We used to have a fabulous military and navy, we don't now (still have brave men and women serving though). We used to command respect throughout the whole world, we do not now.
:(
Butuz
Biscuits...I miss the biscuits and the chocolate. Americans don't have clue. If you come over here bring a supply of biscuits and chocolate.
I mean, the British can go to any country on this globe, and I mean any, they can take their garibaldis, hobnobs, chocolate digestives, ginger nuts, jammy dodgers, hold them high and at their top of their lungs scream:
COME AND HAVE A DO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH!
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See, things are getting better, we're definitely a lot more trustworthy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Auran
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It can be something like that! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wberg
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Originally Posted by Devilbod
and the rain