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    Wikipedia Blackout

    O rly?

    Go to your favourite wikipedia page (links from Google work fine too), let the page load and change to the blackout page, then hit Ctrl-U. It may be a bit hard to read if you don't know HTML, but all the info is still there.

    Silly people.....

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Alternatively, disable scripting.

    Glad it's still available from a personal POV but it makes it less effective, and showing the content before blacking it with the overlay implies there's a way to view it. Maybe it works for most people but I was expecting a straight redirect like http://www.raspberrypi.org/

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    the learn more link itself tells you how to bypass it.

    It's designed as an awareness raiser more than anything else. It's working well


    Now all we need are those bills to be taken out and shot.

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    I think it should be ACTUALLY blacked out, even still works fine from my phone

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    alternatively just add ?banner=none on the end of the URL - no messing with javascript etc
    Chrome & Firefox addons for BBC News
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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Ah that would be better for most I suppose. But I use NoScript so I can just remove it from the whitelist for today.

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    Ah that would be better for most I suppose. But I use NoScript so I can just remove it from the whitelist for today.
    Did the same and it works fine, not that I really need to use it today anyway...

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    en.m.wikipedia.org

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    en.m.wikipedia.org
    Yup - exactly that.


    Not as much of a statement from Wikipedia as I imagined?

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by dave87 View Post
    Yup - exactly that.


    Not as much of a statement from Wikipedia as I imagined?
    Wasn't so much a statement/denial of service as an awareness raiser. I'd say its done a grand job, its splashed all over mainstream media and more public attention is being drawn to this shocker of a law.

    Not just wiki either, ars technica is dedicating time to it, fark is down, xkcd, rock paper shotgun...a fair few other high traffic sites.


    It's high time this nonsense made the mainstream and thanks in part to wikipedias efforts, its now more than a one line in the "tech" section of mainsteam media.

    From /.

    Why is it bad?

    The Stop Online Piracy Act is H.R.3261, and the Protect-IP Act is S.968.

    The intent of both pieces of legislation is to combat online piracy, giving the Attorney General and the Department of Justice power to block domain name services and demand that links be stripped from sites not involved in piracy. The problem is that the legislation, as written, is vague and overly-broad. For one thing, it classifies internet sites as "foreign" or "domestic" based entirely on their domain name. A site hosted abroad like Wikileaks.org could be classified as "domestic" because the .org TLD is registered through a U.S. authority. By defining it as "domestic," Wikileaks would then fall under the jurisdiction of U.S. laws. Other provisions are worded even more poorly: in Section 103, SOPA lays out the definition for a "foreign infringing site" as one where "the owner or operator of such Internet site is committing or facilitating the commission of criminal violations punishable under [provisions relating to counterfeiting and copyright infringement]." The problematic word is facilitating, as it opens the door to condemning sites that simply link to other sites.

    The most obvious implication of this is that search engines would suddenly be responsible for monitoring and policing everything they index. Google indexed its trillionth concurrent URL in 2008. Can you imagine how many people it would take to double check all of them for infringing content? But the job wouldn't end at simply looking at them — Google would have to continually monitor them. Google would also have to somehow keep track of the billions of new sites that spring up daily, many of which would be trying to avoid close scrutiny. Of course, it's an impossible task, so there would need to be automated solutions. Automation being imperfect, it would leave us with false positives. Or perhaps sites would need to be "approved" to be listed. Either way, we'd then be dealing with censorship on a massive scale, and the infringing sites themselves would continue to pop up.

    But the problems don't end there; in fact, SOPA defines "Internet search engine" as a service that "searches, crawls, categorizes, or indexes information or Web sites available elsewhere on the Internet" and links to them. That's pretty much what we do here at Slashdot. It's also something the fine folks at Wikipedia and reddit do on a regular basis. The strength of all three sites is that they're heavily dependent on user-generated content. Every day at Slashdot, readers deposit hundreds and hundreds of links into our submissions bin. Thousands of comments are made daily. We have a system to surface the good content, but the chaff still exists. If we suddenly had a mandate to retroactively filter out all the links to potentially copyright-infringing sites in our database, we wouldn't have many options. We're talking about reviewing hundreds of thousands of submissions, and every comment on 117,000+ stories. And we're far from the biggest site around — imagine social networks needing to police their content, and all the privacy issues that would raise.

    Small sites and new sites would be hurt, too. A website isn't a single, discrete entity that exists on its own. A new company starting up a site would have to worry about its webhost, registrar, content provider, ISP, etc. The legislation would also raise significant financial obstacles. New companies need investments, and that would be much less likely (PDF) if the company could be held liable for content uploaded by users. On top of that, if the site was unable to live up to the vague standards set by the government and the entertainment industry, they could be on the receiving end of a lawsuit, which would be expensive to fight even if they won (and such laws would never, ever be abused). It's hard to conceptualize the internet without noting its unrivaled growth, and SOPA/PIPA would surely stifle it.

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by dave87 View Post
    Yup - exactly that.


    Not as much of a statement from Wikipedia as I imagined?
    Funny thing is, it's intentionally easy to avoid.

    Much like sites banned with SOPA/PIPA, people can easily avoid the blocks - but only innocent legitimate users are hurt.

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    Quote Originally Posted by dave87 View Post
    Yup - exactly that.


    Not as much of a statement from Wikipedia as I imagined?
    Mobile version, disable scripting, view the source code and editing the URL are not really things your average user are going to know or try.

    To the vast majority of people right now, Wikipedia is down.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    The easiest solution I found was to press the Esc key before the blank banner comes up.

    Site works fine then

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    Re: Wikipedia Blackout

    I still think the most ridiculous thing I've seen so far are the facebooker "this account will be silent from..." statuses. Like I'd even notice that a friend hasn't posted anything for a day - in many cases that'd be a god-send

    Although I do have one fb friend who announced his account was going silent 50 minutes ago, then posted on another friend's wall 10 minutes ago...

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