So if someone shouted at you in the street you'd stab them or push them under a bus? That's basically what you're saying - the cyclist argues with a bus driver and deserves being assaulted with a deadly weapon for it.Originally Posted by IronWarrior
Some people's sense of perspective is way out of line.
I'd question the sanity of anyone putting themselves in the way of a multi-ton metal vehicle simply to get in the way/cause annoyance.
It doesn't matter how wrong the bus driver was (very) the cyclist was STILL completely out of his ****ing mind.
IronWarrior (17-02-2012),razer121 (18-02-2012),Sputnik (17-02-2012)
Yep, so...
Cyclist: stupid
Bus driver: homicidal
I know who I'd back
Rave is correct.
That is all.
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Apex (18-02-2012)
Well I expect he wasn't expecting the bus driver to deliberately ram him. That's not accidental contact.
It's not like he cut the bus driver up - they're both stationary at the start of the clip. Both move off, with the cycle in front. The bus appears to move out to overtake then swerves into the cyclist knocking him off the road.
As much as many cyclists put themselves into serious danger, in this case he doesn't appear to be riding irresponsibly.
There is more to it in the article.
As I said, s/he put themselves in harms way, deliberately. And whilst the actions of a lunatic (the driver) are not in dispute, one must question the sanity of the person putting themselves in harms way for no sane reason.
I'm a freakin' rider and I'm telling you now, he was not riding smart. No signals, poor lane position for the 'intended' destination, erratic acceleration. The lot.
@Million: I'd say suicidal rather than stupid.
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I'm not defending the driver, I'm berating the idiot biker.
As I said, if that bike was a car both would be on charges, that says it all for me.
Sputnik (17-02-2012)
Yes... he was overtaking him till the cyclist cut him up in the middle of the road... because it's totally fine and safe for a cyclist to use the middle of the road like that. YOU know... as a cyclist myself, I always drive in the middle of the road, blocking cars and buses, because it's so safe isn't it, doesn't piss people off or cause road rage.
Please, I love to ride my bike right in front of you too, let's see how long till you rage about it.
But, don't get me wrong, the bus driver deserves everything he got as well, both are to blame, they both as stupid as each other, personally, I think the cyclist is the worst since he doesn't value his life at all.
brb, going to ride in-front of 18 wheelers and see what happens!
That is the problem with menace cyclists though, They always seem to get away with riding like a tool or causing damage or stress to other road users, They have no identification like other road users (number plates) so they can accuse anyone driving a car, Bus or Truck of dangerous driving and report them for it while they themselves just give drivers a mouthful of abuse, A few hand gestures and ride off into the traffic never to be seen again.
I'm not siding with the bus driver and he certainly did a very dangerous thing but, It just goes to prove if cyclists carry on the way some do that one day they will get more than they bargained for.
Unfortunately there is not much information of what happened prior to the collision. To me it seems a case of 'you will get burned if you play with fire'.
This shows more footage of what caused the incident and a description of what the cyclist had done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17069235
Rave (19-02-2012)
The cyclist did *not* cut him up. Both vehicles start stationary, the cyclist moves right when he sets off - either to deliberately piss off the bus driver, in which case he's a tool, or to get into the right turn lane at the junction ahead. The bus driver then swerves round him and deliberate drives into him. Which bit of trying to kill someone with a bus do you think is OK, exactly?
Thanks for this, nice to have some context. So, yes, prior to the original clip the cyclist was being a tool. I know a lot of cyclists who are tools, and I shout at a lot of them - from my own cycle, I should point out - when I get the opportunity.
But being a tool does not give anyone the right to try to end your life. And let's be clear here - deliberately hitting someone with a fast moving bus has a very high probability of killing them. I don't think anyone commenting on this thread is denying the cyclist was a tool, but there are a number of people claiming that he deserved to be deliberately hit with a bus for his actions.
I mean, seriously guys. That's what the Daily Mail website is for. Let's be a little bit sensible here. You deliberately hit someone with your vehicle, you go to jail. I think that's fair enough, tbh.
EDIT: just rewatched Sputnik's most recent clip. If you look at the footage from the earlier incident, the cyclist has already moved into the correct lane when he comes round the corner; the bus driver comes round in a left turn lane then cuts out into the cyclist's lane. It doesn't look horrendous to me, and the cyclist clearly overreacted if he did lean his bike against the bus and start arguing with him, but actually he probably had a justifiable complaint in the first place...
Last edited by scaryjim; 18-02-2012 at 12:32 AM.
Yeah that clip certainly gives more context! Honestly though, what was that man thinking... if you have stopped and are arguing then fair enough if he was getting really pissed off(the driver) then she should have smacked him one, not waited until they both set off and then drive into him with a bus... thats just insane and im not being funny if you can flip like that then you shouldnt be on the road!
No one deserves getting hit like that unless they are holding a gun to you or raming you off the road! Its pathetic, the bus driver could have killed some of his passengers and the cyclist AND pedestrians along with fellow drivers due to the immediate stopping or him clipping them when turning. Its a complete ignorance and 18months is way to short for someone who had the potential of killing a fair amount of people and was simply lucky he didnt kill anyone.
You would of thought someone with 10 years of "experience" to have got to grips with accepting the complaints of an idiot every so often, the cyclist did over react but not so much really he got cut up could have been knocked off and run over by another vehicle... he flicked his windscreen wiper, OH NO!.
the thing is people do snap, the cyclist grabbed the gun and shoved it in his mouth...
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack
off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
that works both ways though? Cyclist could have been peeved about being cut up all the time and flip, hence tapping on the bus and arguing when both had pulled over.
Yes, people do snap - and it's pretty much always unjustifiable and reprehensible. Whether that's an american teen blowing away half his classmates with a borrowed smg, or a bus driver flattening someone with three tonnes of fast moving metal. The response is completely disproportionate to the level of inconvenience or offence caused. I don't see how you can suggest that the bus driver should have escaped a custodial sentence for his actions just because the cyclist wound him up.
After all, if winding someone up gave them just cause to kill you, there'd be a lot less people in world today...
oh no the driver deserved it and would have probably got 5 years if he had not been provoked.
it would seem the half a dozen of one attitude was taken into consideration by the judge.
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack
off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
Changed your mind over the course of the thread then?
I agree that the sentencing appears to take account of the provocation, and also presumably the guilty plea (I could see him being tried for attempted murder had he not made a plea, tbh). I imagine the minimum sentence for AM would be a bit more than 17 months...
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