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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    Quote Originally Posted by Million View Post
    Why is that then? The strike will not affect acute or urgent care, it will in fact have no more impact than the Queen's extra Public Holiday, since the service provided will be the same as that provided on such a holiday, but will all support staff still present.



    Selfish? Standing up for yourself? Nothing that doctors are doing is stopping any other public service workers from holding their own industrial action as they see fit. In fact plenty have already had their go at renegotiating pension contracts.
    From my information when they strike they are 'kindly' asked not to carry non urgent care and duties. But in reality can they really do it. This is where the moral issue comes. Say someone needs X operation but further down the line it becomes a bigger problem if they dont have it. Hip replacements for e.g, you might not class this as urgent, but when you talk these people that are waiting lists for years, their pain is agonising, albeit not life threatening but unbearable. So urgent to acute care is subjective to a point of view, obviously Cardiac arrests need attention asap.

    Also I feel the strikes wont have an effect because the effect will be watered down and as you say, it will just be a normal service as if it was a bank holiday. The new medical staff probably don't know why they striking but think's it's great to technically not do anything. It's the BMA (British medical Association) which is the trade union eqivalent decision. You also cannot vote unless your a member, as far as i last checked, that's over £250 a year for in reality lip service and newsletters, but that's another discussion entirely on their usefullness or lack of.

    However on the otherhand they went too far when they renegotiated the GP contracts a few years back, making GP's very highly paid for the little amount of work they do compared to hospital doctors. The GP's don't do any night shifts nor weekend shifts and they can pick and choose when they work, plus they get paid a crap load for it if they wanted to. Trade unions themselves can also be selfish, but can you blame they, they are protecting the rights of their patrons, but not looking at the bigger picture or other members.

    The other point on striking is it might be conveyed as selfish because the general public's opinion is they all highly paid high flyers sitting in the Coffee rooms all day, when in reality this is not true for the majority of non pencil pushers. When Teachers or Tube drivers strike, yes there is annoyance to service but no harm to self is done and generally they forget about them in a week or so time. Whereas if Doctors did 'truly' strike, as in refuse to do anything except acute, a huge furore will be garnered in the local tabloid newspapers and people will complain left right and centre.This will create even more animosity to the profession and make alot of people even more bitter.

    In summary, medical professionals haven't had an effective strike, whether that is out of morality or need this has led the profession falling behind in pension negotiations. Look at the other civil service professions and they get to renegotiate at will really. Hence the Goverment are able to take advantage and basically stick two fingers up screwing them at the same time preying on their morals and duty of care. To be honest this will carry on for the forseeable future.

    You see the difference. I am only trying to give both sides to give a balanced view. In any case this is the wrong thread and forum to be discussing the above issues, in contrary to what the OP wanted
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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    I don't buy the slowing industry argument either. We all ready work amongst the longest hours in Europe on average, meaning we get less time to spend with our families. Just because it makes things a bit more complicated for a minority is not an argument for reducing the entitlement.
    ahh.. now we're at the crux of the issue.

    What I'm saying is..... I DO think that Bank Holidays slow industry. AND I am asking, should we have less time off for a few years while we get back on track and become a financial super power again?

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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    This absolutely is not aimed at you Zak and is unlikely to apply to anyone on HEXUS, but part of the problem is that there is a worrying amount of 'part time parents'. It was something I never really noticed until friends and family started having kids over the last few years, but quite a lot of the UK has a 'who can look after them' attitude.

    A careerer and parenting shouldn't be mutually exclusive, but I've seen people put their careerer before their kids many times . The thought of having to take time off work to look after their kids is normally enough to send them into a rage about teachers holidays (which they are not).
    Not only do I ot take it personally... I'm guilty of what you describe, on the odd ccassion, where work really IS more important than my kid. Not in a "your kids dying " " I'm staying here to finish this excel report" way... but in terms of working some hours at weekends while he wants to play with me... not taking him swimming because I'm working on a new project...

    those things have happened.

    I could reverse it.... become what is deemed "a better father"... and could be seen as a "less effective employee".. but it's not who I am. My Dad woprked very hard.. and my Mum did later in my life.

    I can't sit still... can't relax properly. I dread retirement more than most people. And I understand that other people aren;t like it...

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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    Thing is, you work hard now, make the sacrifices now, and you can earn a relax later on, earlier.... then you could have a permanent bank holiday. Your argument is a sound one though Zak - drop some national holidays, but increase the personal minimum holiday entitlement, so not everyone is off at the same time and things keep going.

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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    so i can spend my holidays alone... yayyyyyyy!

    Knowing your friends and family are also likely to have the same time as you off is a pretty big deal to some of us.

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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tumble View Post
    Thing is, you work hard now, make the sacrifices now, and you can earn a relax later on, earlier.... then you could have a permanent bank holiday. Your argument is a sound one though Zak - drop some national holidays, but increase the personal minimum holiday entitlement, so not everyone is off at the same time and things keep going.
    That might be over 30 years for some of us and with the government chipping away and changing the goal posts every few years, will there be any pension left to spend

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    Re: Austerity Measures : Bank Holidays (public holidays)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    ahh.. now we're at the crux of the issue.

    What I'm saying is..... I DO think that Bank Holidays slow industry. AND I am asking, should we have less time off for a few years while we get back on track and become a financial super power again?
    That's no more politically sell-able than what the government should have done in the first place. Nothing. Let the "too big to fail" fail, wait until the liquidators have finished selling what bits of the carcass they could, pick up what they want of what's left at a knockdown price and then selectively "bail out" the creditors the government deem are in the national interest using QE money, such as pension funds.
    Then lock up the people that have broken existing banking laws which should serve as a deterrent for future blaggers as well as a just action.
    If/when house prices collapse, don't interfere. Wait until prices are below their long term average then engage in some QE funded debt forgiveness and put interest rates up to ensure that monthly payments are only a bit lower but enough lower that struggling households aren't struggling so much.
    "Capitalist" individuals that recklessly put their entire industry at risk by refusing to see that what they were doing was extremely high risk lose their massively overpaid jobs and pensions - i.e. their just desserts for such monumental mistakes - check.
    The subset of the above individuals that broke banking laws for personal gain putting their whole company at risk locked up for a while and permanently banned from the financial industry - check.
    Government debt not massively increased essentially propping up a whole load of companies that should have gone bust - check.
    People that did nothing wrong and had no hand in creating this disaster waiting to happen do not end up being punished - check.
    Massive credit contraction slowed/stopped at a more long term reasonable level - check.

    Political will for the above to happen - zero.
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