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    More violence flaring up in Libya

    It seems a number of US officials were killed in Libya:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19570254

    One happens to be an Eve player too:

    http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

    There are also other reports of internal violence against various other groups in the country over the last few months too.

    Billions of dollars were spent by the US and the UK during a massive recession supporting these people to overthrow Gadaffi, and it seems one set of thugs have been exchanged for another.
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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    It seems a number of US officials were killed in Libya:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19570254

    One happens to be an Eve player too:

    http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

    There are also other reports of internal violence against various other groups in the country over the last few months too.

    Billions of dollars were spent by the US and the UK during a massive recession supporting these people to overthrow Gadaffi, and it seems one set of thugs have been exchanged for another.
    I've always said this, we should just leave them alone and let them kill themsleves. We are just wasting money over there, they need to learn the hard way. Close our borders to people that come from that region and let them fight it out themselves.

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Billions of dollars were spent by the US and the UK during a massive recession supporting these people to overthrow Gadaffi, and it seems one set of thugs have been exchanged for another.
    What did you expect? Did they learn nothing from Iraq, or the other tin-pot dictators they helped to install in the 70s and 80s? Back Sadam because he stands up to Iran... an ally in the region.... but oh wait. He's done what? Invaded Kuwait? WTF? 15 years and 2 wars later we finally oust him leaving a powder-keg of a country, hatred of the west, a more volatile region and a distinct loss of moral high-ground when it comes to dealing with more serious threats in the region.

    Similarly the US was very happy to pump money into helping the Afghanis and Osama etc fight the Soviets, and what ever came of that I wonder?

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    One happens to be an Eve player too:

    http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat
    The guy was a driving force behind one of the biggest alliances in the game. He'd also been part of the CSM (A player run council that was elected) that directly worked with the devs to make it better.

    He'll be truly missed by the community.
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    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Flew with and against Vile Rat many a time, top bloke. I'm gutted. RIP.

    That's the 5th person I knew to be killed by whackjob Muslim fundamentalists and for what A MOVIE THEY DIDN'T LIKE!?

    I'd love to see true democracy spread across the middle east and true friendship, but I'm rapidly coming to the opinion that we're better off just pulling out, militarily, financially and otherwise and leaving them to it, if they screw with us just smash them with a carrier battle group from offshore.

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    I guess it's not dissimilar to us some hundreds of years ago. We've moved past that, and assume that with enough education anyone else would as well.

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Can we just not nuke the lot of them and be done with it ?



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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Should we be like the USA and stick our nose where its not wanted and allow young soldiers lives to be used needlessly..... Oh sorry there is no OIL in Syria or Libya

    Let Arabs deal with Arabs let them do there own dirty work...

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    What kind careless remark is this ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apex View Post
    Can we just not nuke the lot of them and be done with it ?

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Genocide is never the answer.

    Please be very mindful of the rules and stay on topic. The only mod in the thread is in a very bad mood.

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by c12038 View Post
    Should we be like the USA and stick our nose where its not wanted and allow young soldiers lives to be used needlessly..... Oh sorry there is no OIL in Syria or Libya

    Let Arabs deal with Arabs let them do there own dirty work...
    WTF? There is a lot of oil in Libya - there were British nationals stuck in the oil compounds when Gadhafi shut the borders. It's why the government got pummelled in the press for not doing enough to get our citizens out. So it's nice to know we don't just take action in countrys who have oil... oh no wait. Our jets did go out there didn't they... as did the SAS allegedly (until their cover got blown)

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by petercook7 View Post
    I've always said this, we should just leave them alone and let them kill themsleves. We are just wasting money over there, they need to learn the hard way. Close our borders to people that come from that region and let them fight it out themselves.
    Yeah, 'cause letting people kill themselves and each other is always the classy response. Like to look the other way, do you?

    This is civil strife, a fight for freedom against a dictator, for civil liberties and personal freedom. Are these things you just don't believe in, or do you just not think they apply because they're 'foreign'?
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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by IBM View Post
    Yeah, 'cause letting people kill themselves and each other is always the classy response. Like to look the other way, do you?

    This is civil strife, a fight for freedom against a dictator, for civil liberties and personal freedom. Are these things you just don't believe in, or do you just not think they apply because they're 'foreign'?
    Its hilarious that when they need help they were begging the US and UK for help. Then when the help is tendered during the worst recession in decades(over 2.5 million people out of work here and miillions in the US),they turn back and stab the same people in the back.

    What for?? Oh,yes, some bunch of people who made a stupid film that no one would have ever heard of,if it was not for these people going bat **** crazy.

    You can tender all the military help in the world,but if enough people in the country are backwards in attitudes it makes no flipping difference.

    There are so many better causes in the world which billions of dollars could be spent on.

    Except nothing really has changed though?? The people who replaced Gadaffi were cut from the same cloth and in fact many did serve under him. There are still enough people over there who have a massive lack of any tolerance. Look at the attacks against other muslims in the country just because their intepretation is slightly different,or black people for example(as they are tarred with the Gadaffi supporter brush).

    The only people who seem to be doing OK are males from the majority religion in the country. Ethnic and religious minorities and women are the ones who are suffering the most.

    If there is no impetus for change from within these people and they want to stick with their attitudes,they can go and screw over each other as much as they want to,IMHO. Maybe at some point it might click that things need to change. However,it needs to come from them, otherwise any change will be just window dressing.
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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by IBM View Post
    Yeah, 'cause letting people kill themselves and each other is always the classy response. Like to look the other way, do you?

    This is civil strife, a fight for freedom against a dictator, for civil liberties and personal freedom. Are these things you just don't believe in, or do you just not think they apply because they're 'foreign'?
    That part of the world always likes to blame someone, they've been doing it for 1000s of years. Before islam arrived they were killing each other, and even after they kept on killing each other not as much. There is not point to drag the west into it, llet them do what they liek to each other they are used to it and in some sick way enjoy it.

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    Re: More violence flaring up in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by petercook7 View Post
    That part of the world always likes to blame someone, they've been doing it for 1000s of years. Before islam arrived they were killing each other, and even after they kept on killing each other not as much. There is not point to drag the west into it, llet them do what they liek to each other they are used to it and in some sick way enjoy it.
    The problem is the nuts out there killing people believe in a version of Islam that they believe requires them to force all people to submit to it [their version of Islam]. Left long enough unchecked, which will prevail, the peaceful version or their hate-fuelled misguided zeal?

    And what if/when they kick-off an international war over it? Whose problem is it then?

    What of the poor unfortunates who just want to live peacefully in the country in the mean time? We just let them get killed/brutalised into forced conversion to the fanaticist's cause? I agree we shouldn't meddle, but to just let the innocent get trampled on, that we ought not do. The problem is we meddle in other areas for the wrong reasons so when we legitimately need to get involved there is no international patience with us or high-ground left for us to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    The problem is the nuts out there killing people believe in a version of Islam that they believe requires them to force all people to submit to it [their version of Islam]. Left long enough unchecked, which will prevail, the peaceful version or their hate-fuelled misguided zeal?

    And what if/when they kick-off an international war over it? Whose problem is it then?

    What of the poor unfortunates who just want to live peacefully in the country in the mean time? We just let them get killed/brutalised into forced conversion to the fanaticist's cause? I agree we shouldn't meddle, but to just let the innocent get trampled on, that we ought not do. The problem is we meddle in other areas for the wrong reasons so when we legitimately need to get involved there is no international patience with us or high-ground left for us to take.
    if you feel so strongly about it why don't you enlist ?

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