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    Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    I'll keep this quite brief, but I am curious what the people of Hexus thing about who will actually win the election tomorrow?

    Not who you want to win or who should win (hopefully that would be Obama ) but who you think will take it..

    Personally, I would really hope that Obama would win - we really don't need another Republican warlord taking the American (world) presidency..even putting aside the hyperbole the prospect of him taking office kind of terrifies me..I can only see it as a huge backwards step for a country that has taken giant leaps forward under Obama.

    All that said..I get the feeling that Romney will win the popular vote. Many of the richer americans are angry at the tax rises Obama put into place, and the poorer americans are angered by the lack of delivery with certain policies that were (ironically) blocked by the republicans (e.g. healthcare).

    However, all the current signs are that the colleges are heavily weighted towards Obama still..and although the popular vote + college vote are usually fairly consistent..this time around I am not so sure.

    So scarily I think Romney will be elected wednesday morning..although I really hope not! I've put up a poll, who do you think will win it?

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    i voted for who i would like to win... stay positive and all that. I tend to agree with you though, i think Romney might sneak in as America has a habit of voting in idiots.

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    the poorer americans are angered by the lack of delivery with certain policies that were (ironically) blocked by the republicans (e.g. healthcare).
    I dont think that gets mentioned very much, for some reason the people seem to think the President is all powerful, or they just willingly ignore that there are 2 other sets of people who vote for or against bills.

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    I was talking about this a couple of nights ago, with some mates who, no matter what you think of the profession of traders, are highly analitically smart and well versed in news.

    Two of them were worried that it was going to be Romney, at the time he had a growing lead in the polls, the trend really favoured him. However Obama has done well out of hurrican sandy, his response on a federal level will have earnt him some voters. The issue is Romney just says whatever is needed to get elected.

    Interestingly, three out of four of these traders think that Romney will be a disaster for the USA, the 4th thinks he will simply stall development. They think his allocation of cuts and subsidies will not help, whilst he refuses to address the economic elephant in the room, the US milatery spending.

    But we were all in agreement, the old when the US sneezes sentiment is really no longer true. The rise of the BRICs has somewhat negated the control the US had, the dollar standard is much less important.

    As such US citizens can vote in a religious whackjob and ultimately, will he be able cock things up any more than they already are? Probably not by much.

    However, something like Greece, which is circling the drain so to speak could really create problems on our doorstep. They are looking to elect a socialist facist party, which is deeply nationalist.

    Now if you have an ultra US still right wing government, they will stifle growth, old people will needlessly die thanks to lack of affordable healthcare, the distrabution of wealth will become slanted and traditionally in the US at least crime will rise.

    But all that is nothing compared to the damage some ultra left wingers can do. Ultra left wingers have a terrible habbit of crippling a country long term. Just look at how the moderate left damaged the economy in the UK or Greece, or Spain. The difference is Romney, whilst he scares me due to his failure to ever state his intentions consistantly, whilst been bankroled by a dangerous (imsho) religion, will only mess things up for a fraction of a generation.

    So I suppose my comment is, I don't really care.

    Hopefully the above explains why that is.
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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    not following what either of them support in their political beliefs but i do like Obama, surely the "cool" president will win

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    However, something like Greece, which is circling the drain so to speak could really create problems on our doorstep. They are looking to elect a socialist facist party
    Don't worry,Daily Fail readers think that is the way forward for Blighty. They probably also want us to retake Calais while we are at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Now if you have an ultra US still right wing government, they will stifle growth, old people will needlessly die thanks to lack of affordable healthcare, the distrabution of wealth will become slanted and traditionally in the US at least crime will rise.
    The only way the ultra right wing seems to succeed is by first targeting minorities/the weak as enemies and stigmatising them. When they have been eliminated,they move on to the next "created enemy" within the country and so on,until they run out of excuses and soon it is another countries fault,etc.

    It is much easier to blame someone else(in the case of the right) or make excuses for others(in the case of the left),as people tend to be unable to admit their own faults it seems.
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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Romney stands no chance of winning, without an absolutely mindblowing increase in the current levels of election fraud.

    The media benefits from a close race, so they keep pretending it's a close race. It's not.

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Romney stands no chance of winning, without an absolutely mindblowing increase in the current levels of election fraud.
    Dubya won though!!

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Personally I think Obama will clinch it.

    Simply because if history shows us anything it takes a fairly major event overshadowing the presidency or total incompetence to get anything done before the president does not get a second term.

    Hoover with the stock market crash and great depression.
    Carter with the hostage taking at the US embassy in Iran.
    Bush (first one) unable to get control of inner city violence and government spending

    the list goes on

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Dubya won though!!
    Dubya/Gore was close. Much closer than now. Close enough for mild election fraud to tip it. We're talking "105% of people voted Republican swing states" levels this time around for a Romney win.

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    The media benefits from a close race, so they keep pretending it's a close race. It's not.
    How do you know that thou, as sadly the pollsters it could be said have the same vested interest. Even news sites such as the FT, which don't go for traffic, instead subscriptions, are reporting it as close. The ecconomist which is one of those publications I often just trust aren't saying its decided.
    Quote Originally Posted by Larkspeed View Post
    Simply because if history shows us anything it takes a fairly major event overshadowing the presidency or total incompetence to get anything done before the president does not get a second term.
    But do people really think that way? We only have to look at our own government, how those in opposition are simply saying the populist things, even if they are the exact opposite of what they said in power. See Ed Milliband on europe last week for instnace. People are likely to vote him in again it would appear.

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    He did a decent job with Sandy, think that will clinch it for Obama.

    American politics tickles me, the main thing Obama has done during his presidency are; Double the stock market, introduce universal healthcare(kinda), kill Osama Bin Laden and broke the constitution to declare American citizens enemy combatants and kill them.

    Yet Republicans want to attack him on the economy, healthcare and foreign policy, the bits he did as well as anyone could of tbh. Rather than his actual weakness', like murdering Americans, the guy needed to die, but still. I think it's that miscalculation that will cost them, but as already stated voters are irrational.

    I think it was Bill Hicks who said undecided voters are the dumbest creatures on the planet.

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    I'd like Obama, being naturally left leaning, but have voted for the dark side as the likely winner.
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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    One of my friends had this on Facebook -

    "Voting is simple, any moron can put an X in a box ... Which on Tuesday might be the problem."

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    Re: Obama or Romney..who will clinch it?

    I'm interested in your perception of Obama, because it differs a great deal from my own.

    Obama promised a great deal. He promised to fix the economy in four years. He has failed. While the stock market may be up, huge unemployment continues, and federal spending has increased.

    He promised universal healthcare, and hasn't delivered, at all. What he managed to do is make the worst healthcare system in the developed world worse.

    He promised to end the wars, and instead has turned into a warmonger, waging war in Libya and Pakistan (killing hundreds of women and children) in addition to the illegal wars of the previous administration.

    He promised transparent government, but scandals like Fast and Furious and his continued use of executive powers show otherwise.

    He ran promising improved civil liberties, but almost every promise he made has been broken. Obama did a great dis-service when he claimed to support gay marriage, because he pushed for it to be a states-rights issue. The passage of NDAA, which allows the execution of American citizens, and children, without trial, should be the final nail in his coffin.

    I was pleased when Obama won in 2008(Although I would not have voted for him). He ran as a reformer, but instead this has been closer to a third term of GWB. I believe we will look back on Obama as one of the worst presidents in US history.


    But what of Mitt Romney.

    Religious kook is at worst an irrelevance, and is probably a good thing. I know there isn't much of an LDS presence in England, but their religion is no more wacky than and other brand of Christianity, and they are generally good people. I would want LDS neighbours. You have to be religious to be elected in the US.

    He's another warmonger. We'll be lucky to avoid war with Iran.

    The Republican party calls themselves conservative, but what they mean is socially conservative, not fiscally conservative. Which means very bad for civil liberties.

    He supports NDAA.

    He supports bigger government.

    I think Romney will win. I think Romney will be slightly better for the economy in the short term, and as bad as Obama in the long term. I think he will be as bad as Obama on foreign policy and slightly worse on civil liberties. I think the country will be worse off four years from now (and Hillary will be a candidate). I think we will be better off with Romney than Obama for only one reason: The Supreme Court. Romney's nominations are more likely to help preserve what rights we have left.

    What we need is a socially liberal and fiscally conservative candidate, but they just cannot win in this country. We need smaller, cheaper government. No politician here will ever use the words 'Austerity Measures'. The US is determined to spend it's way out of debt. We need to end the wars overseas, and the war on drugs at home. We need to focus on defense, rather than trying to run a worldwide empire. We need government which will help our citizens to become productive, rather than trying to provide for them to live in squalor.

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