Page 1 of 5 1234 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 69

Thread: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

  1. #1
    WEEEEEEEEEEEEE! MadduckUK's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lytham St. Annes
    Posts
    17,297
    Thanks
    653
    Thanked
    1,580 times in 1,006 posts
    • MadduckUK's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450M Mortar
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 5 3600
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200 DDR4
      • Storage:
      • 1x480GB SSD, 1x 2TB Hybrid, 1x 3TB Rust Spinner
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon 5700XT
      • PSU:
      • Corsair TX750w
      • Case:
      • Phanteks Enthoo Evolv mATX
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung SJ55W, DELL S2409W
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet 80

    The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20415689
    Not only have a vote on something blatantly against the teachings of the bible (Women should be silent. Timothy 2:12) in a desperate effort to be more relevant to modern life, but completely mess it up why don't you?

    The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, spoke of his "deep personal sadness" after the vote.
    He always seemed - like PJPII to be a descent, if misguided individual. So I do feel sorry for him. I am sure the path he was trying to take the COE was the best given the situation. But when not just Christianity, but a denomination of Christianity has to vote on something, well you know something has gone wrong and they are just making it up as they go along.

    Zoe Ham, Church Society: "I am happy that the legislation in its form today has been rejected"
    I don't know what the "Church Society" is, but it sounds terrible to be honest. The christian extremists were always the crappiest baddies on Spooks.

    Traditionalist campaign group Together 4ward said: "We are reflecting on and praying about the outcome of general synod, and will make a fuller statement in due course.
    That's it, do some praying. Because nobody else that got to vote in this has even considered doing that . I am praying that your prayers are not answered.

    In fact, why not forego the voting entirely, give everyone 24 hours to pray that their preferred outcome happens and then toss a coin? This whole pieces of paper thing seems to be sneaky way of making sure that any preference God may have can be avoided.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ephesians
    Do not be drunk with wine, which will ruin you, but be filled with the Spirit
    Vodka

  2. #2
    Drum & Bass Till I Die deejayburnout's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Kinglassie, Fife
    Posts
    2,013
    Thanks
    296
    Thanked
    133 times in 114 posts
    • deejayburnout's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte x470 Aorus Ultra Gaming
      • CPU:
      • Ryzen 2600 at stock speeds ( for now)
      • Memory:
      • 2 x Corsair 8GB DDR4 Vengeance LPX 3000MHz
      • Storage:
      • Gigabyte 128GB M.2 PCIe x2 NVMe SSD, 120GB Kingston SV200, 2 x 1TB WD Drive, 2 x 2TB WD Drive
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ASUS ROG Strix RX 580 8G Gaming OC Edition
      • PSU:
      • OCZ 750 Watt
      • Case:
      • NZXT Noctis 450
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34UM65-P Ultrawide
      • Internet:
      • 72mb Down 19mb up - Vodafone

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    The Bible states 1 Timothy 3 verse 5 'For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?'

    In fact the whole of 1 Timothy 3 is about the rules of a man in Church leadership. The bible doesn't say about a woman leading a church. WHY? Because GOD wants it that way.

    Who are the Catholic Church or the Archbishop of Canterbury to change the rules because they want it to.

    Its GOD's word. Don't mess with it.
    Better to Burn out than Fade Away
    Check out my Youtube channel - Crispy Crisperson

  3. #3
    WEEEEEEEEEEEEE! MadduckUK's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lytham St. Annes
    Posts
    17,297
    Thanks
    653
    Thanked
    1,580 times in 1,006 posts
    • MadduckUK's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450M Mortar
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 5 3600
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200 DDR4
      • Storage:
      • 1x480GB SSD, 1x 2TB Hybrid, 1x 3TB Rust Spinner
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon 5700XT
      • PSU:
      • Corsair TX750w
      • Case:
      • Phanteks Enthoo Evolv mATX
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung SJ55W, DELL S2409W
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet 80

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    I like your stance deejay. Do it 100% or not at all
    Quote Originally Posted by Ephesians
    Do not be drunk with wine, which will ruin you, but be filled with the Spirit
    Vodka

  4. #4
    Hexus.Jet TeePee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Gallup, NM
    Posts
    5,290
    Thanks
    128
    Thanked
    698 times in 410 posts

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    A perfect example of why the Church of England needs to be utterly separate from the government.

  5. #5
    Senior Member Smudger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    St Albans
    Posts
    3,834
    Thanks
    643
    Thanked
    608 times in 444 posts
    • Smudger's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gbyte GA-970A-UD3P
      • CPU:
      • AMD FX8320 Black Edition
      • Memory:
      • 16GB 2x8G CML16GX3M2A1600C10
      • Storage:
      • 1x240Gb Corsair M500, 2TB TOSHIBA DT01ACA200
      • Graphics card(s):
      • XFX Radeon HD4890 1GB
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX520
      • Case:
      • Akasa Zen
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Home
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 24"
      • Internet:
      • Virgin 200Mbit

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Fairness and equality for all.

    Unless you're a woman or a gay.

  6. Received thanks from:

    Biscuit (21-11-2012),Disturbedguy (21-11-2012),MaddAussie (21-11-2012),Phage (21-11-2012),Platinum (21-11-2012),pollaxe (21-11-2012),TheAnimus (21-11-2012)

  7. #6
    Seething Cauldron of Hatred TheAnimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    17,164
    Thanks
    803
    Thanked
    2,152 times in 1,408 posts

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Now riddle me this.

    If I made a company, and said no woman are allowed in senior posistions or on the board say, I'd be sued...

    If it was a charity, I would be in trouble with the charities commission I would almost certainly loose the tax status...

    If its a church, its fine.

    Now when one of them clames to provide moral guidance, but has been 'wrong' on anything from the movement of the planet to symbol biology to even pi, can we not just tell them to fornicate right off?
    throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)

  8. Received thanks from:

    Platinum (21-11-2012)

  9. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,474
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked
    140 times in 116 posts
    • BobF64's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-V Pro
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i7-3770K
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Corsair XMS3 PC3-12800
      • Storage:
      • Multiple HDD and SSD drives
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ASUS DUAL-GTX1060-06G
      • PSU:
      • 750W Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT02
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • HP ZR24w

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    A perfect example of why the Church of England needs to be utterly separate from the government.
    And from society as a whole. Only those that actually want religious guidance, advice or help should seek it out, not the other way around.

  10. #8
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,285 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Don't forget the most senior position in the Church of England is currently held by a woman

    People knew yesterday's vote would provide fodder for the haters, but do look into it carefully.

    The term 'voted against' is hugely misleading. The vast majority voted in favour of it, over three-quarters I think. However it had to get above a 2/3rds threshold in each of the different organisational groups - bishops (bosses), clergy (professionals) and laity (volunteers). In the last of these there was still a majority, but it fell a few votes (about four) short of the threshold.

    Some of the people voting against this motion did so because they did not agree with the compromises being made towards traditionalists. Put overly-simply, they did not want to say it was OK to allow congregations to select a male bishop if they did not want a female bishop.

    So to draw any wide conclusion from the result of this vote is quite hard. You cannot say outright that they are against female bishops, only that this particular motion with all it's compromises just failed to squeeze passed the threshold.

  11. #9
    Seething Cauldron of Hatred TheAnimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    17,164
    Thanks
    803
    Thanked
    2,152 times in 1,408 posts

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    So to draw any wide conclusion from the result of this vote is quite hard. You cannot say outright that they are against female bishops, only that this particular motion with all it's compromises just failed to squeeze passed the threshold.
    It's 2012. Just think that for a little bit.

    What is the purpose of a church, when it constantly lags behind society ethically. When it slows scientific progress. When it aids in conflicts that help its interest.

    It's a throwback to primative times, its high time that religious organisations have to play by the same rules as everyone else, give one reason why not?
    throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)

  12. #10
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,285 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Time was when society was the one lagging behind ethically. It still does in many parts of the world - should the church in those parts of the world meld itself to the local customs in ignorance of the teaching it holds to? Time was when society thought nothing of slavery for example, while the Church's teaching was that we should put ourselves in positions to serve.

    Equality is not in question here - this decision is about roles. That's not to say I agree with it - I don't, nor do the vast majority of the church, what has failed here is simply how to put it into practise in a way that is least harming to the societies which don't share our view.

    If you have a chance at making things better for everyone, even if that includes some compromises, wouldn't you take that, rather than risk a large proportion splitting off any not even taking these small steps of improvement? That's the question that was behind this.

  13. #11
    Pork & Beans Powerup Phage's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Kent
    Posts
    6,260
    Thanks
    1,618
    Thanked
    608 times in 518 posts
    • Phage's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Crosshair VIII
      • CPU:
      • 3800x
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb @ 3600Mhz
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 960 512Gb + 2Tb Samsung 860
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 1080ti
      • PSU:
      • BeQuiet 850w
      • Case:
      • Fractal Define 7
      • Operating System:
      • W10 64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Iiyama GB3461WQSU-B1

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    <Sigh>
    I'm with TeePee. This is a good thing in that it can only advance the secularisation of this country.
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

  14. #12
    Senior Member Smudger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    St Albans
    Posts
    3,834
    Thanks
    643
    Thanked
    608 times in 444 posts
    • Smudger's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gbyte GA-970A-UD3P
      • CPU:
      • AMD FX8320 Black Edition
      • Memory:
      • 16GB 2x8G CML16GX3M2A1600C10
      • Storage:
      • 1x240Gb Corsair M500, 2TB TOSHIBA DT01ACA200
      • Graphics card(s):
      • XFX Radeon HD4890 1GB
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX520
      • Case:
      • Akasa Zen
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Home
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 24"
      • Internet:
      • Virgin 200Mbit

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    By the sounds of it, a lot of the votes against were protesting against the concessions given for the traditionalists - like being able to request a male bishop to 'supervise' a female one. Or, they were in order to avoid splitting the church. CLearly, the traditionalists are in quite a minority, so let them try and split? Who would follow England's Church, or the Popular Church of England, or the People's Church of England?

  15. #13
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,285 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    By the sounds of it, a lot of the votes against were protesting against the concessions given for the traditionalists - like being able to request a male bishop to 'supervise' a female one. Or, they were in order to avoid splitting the church.
    Precisely.

    CLearly, the traditionalists are in quite a minority, so let them try and split? Who would follow England's Church, or the Popular Church of England, or the People's Church of England?
    They're a small minority in this country, but not world-wide. Back to the question of whether it's better overall to have them onboard with some improvements or let them split where they might decide to have none.

  16. #14
    Seething Cauldron of Hatred TheAnimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    17,164
    Thanks
    803
    Thanked
    2,152 times in 1,408 posts

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Time was when society was the one lagging behind ethically. It still does in many parts of the world - should the church in those parts of the world meld itself to the local customs in ignorance of the teaching it holds to? Time was when society thought nothing of slavery for example, while the Church's teaching was that we should put ourselves in positions to serve.
    Yes slavery, great example. So what did the church do to oppose slavery in the UK or in the Confederacy?

    Wasn't Pope Paul some 400 years behind England in abolishing slavery?

    Not sure when society was lagging behind religion ethically. It appears quite clearly today that religion is lagging behind society when it comes to ethics.
    throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)

  17. #15
    mush-mushroom b0redom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Middlesex
    Posts
    3,438
    Thanks
    174
    Thanked
    362 times in 279 posts
    • b0redom's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Some iMac thingy
      • CPU:
      • 3.4Ghz Quad Core i7
      • Memory:
      • 24GB
      • Storage:
      • 3TB Fusion Drive
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nViidia GTX 680MX
      • PSU:
      • Some iMac thingy
      • Case:
      • Late 2012 pointlessly thin iMac enclosure
      • Operating System:
      • OSX 10.8 / Win 7 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2713H
      • Internet:
      • Be+

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    I was listening to a radio call in show where some of the traditionalists (who seemed to be mostly women tbh) were saying that working for the Church is not a job it's a calling.

    The presenter suggested that some MPs were saying that they were just going to go in and steamroller over whatever the vote said and enforce non-discrimination laws as being a bishop etc is a paid role so clearly IS a job.

    There was then an outcry that the state shouldn't mess with the Church as they have nothing to do with each other.

    Odd that this isn't the position regarding schools (which are allowed to select based on religious beliefs), praying before council meetings etc etc.

    If you're going to interpret the Bible literally, how about starting with:

    Leviticus 19:19
    Exodus 19:13
    Leviticus 20:27

    or even how's about:

    Numbers 15:32-56

    Stone Paul Daniels!!!!

  18. #16
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,285 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: The Church of England votes against female Bishops. A

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Yes slavery, great example. So what did the church do to oppose slavery in the UK or in the Confederacy?

    Wasn't Pope Paul some 400 years behind England in abolishing slavery?
    What has the Pope got to do with it? This is a vote about the Anglican church. The catholics have their own viewpoint on this (against women priests even, which the CofE voted for 20 years ago) and it's nothing to do with the general synod.


    Quote Originally Posted by b0redom View Post
    If you're going to interpret the Bible literally, how about starting with:

    Leviticus 19:19
    Exodus 19:13
    Leviticus 20:27

    or even how's about:

    Numbers 15:32-56
    This topic is about the Church of England - that's a Christian body, not a Jewish one.

Page 1 of 5 1234 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •