Electricity

[Phage]

That was good. Recommened viewing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00kjq6d

[TheAnimus]

3/3 How we finally came to understand the science of electricity

Does it include how we'll be buying our electricy from france because we were dumb enough to put money in to wind etc, rather than fission?

[BobF64]

Does it include how we'll be buying our electricy from france because we were dumb enough to put money in to wind etc, rather than fission?

You remind me of the comments made by the "avid supporter of inefficient public subsidy" here : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-20140268

I do like how it comes down to "jobs and wealth" in the end, rather than getting the cheapest and most predictable sources of power.

[watercooled]

Does it include how we'll be buying our electricy from france because we were dumb enough to put money in to wind etc, rather than fission?

Because it's all epic and green and it's going to save teh planet!!! (jk)
Thankfully Hitachi are planning to build some ABWRs but even with those + EDF's EPRs we're not building nearly enough.

I saw this documentary on the first broadcast, was really good IIRC.

[chuckskull]

Saw this a while back, worth a watch.

[ehhhhhhh]

Does it include how we'll be buying our electricy from france because we were dumb enough to put money in to wind etc, rather than fission?

I thought the research on fission turned out to be fail? I'll try to dig up the article when I get time.

[BobF64]

I thought the research on fission turned out to be fail? I'll try to dig up the article when I get time.

Fission? no, thats how current nuclear reactors work.

Now, fusion is the current pipe dream and probably a possible fail.

[TheAnimus]

I've stopped calling nuclear fission. Dropping the 'n' word makes it better for stupid people, you know women, vegans, biologists, readers of the gaurdian and such.

[ehhhhhhh]

Fission? no, thats how current nuclear reactors work.

Now, fusion is the current pipe dream and probably a possible fail.

you are right, I stand corrected. (should have had my coffee fix before posting)

this is the article I read btw

[BobF64]

I've stopped calling nuclear fission. Dropping the 'n' word makes it better for stupid people, you know women, vegans, biologists, readers of the gaurdian and such.

Its surprising just how agitated people get when you mention nuclear power.

If you think about it, more people have died from coal mining than nuclear accidents and vastly more people have died from natural disasters.

Its all about perspective, which none of the hysterical people seem to ever have.

[Phage]

Fission? no, thats how current nuclear reactors work.

Now, fusion is the current pipe dream and probably a possible fail.

Any project is a possible fail but given the size of the prize, ITER and NIF are still ongoing.

Article on how coal plants produce more radioactive contamination than Nuclear.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/202/4372/1045.short

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

biologists

Oi! You! Most biologists I know support nuclear power!

[Phage]

Oi! You! Most biologists I know support nuclear power!

Yep. This is a glorious place.
http://www.rspb.org.uk/reserves/guide/d/dungeness/

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Biologists actually do work with radioactivity,ie,things like Northern Blotting,so unlike the general public and Greenpeace it is not a magical boogeyman!

[watercooled]

Fusion is still making progress, but there's more than one approach to it. Look up JET and the progress it's making towards ITER.

I agree we should be careful where we use 'nuclear' and 'radiation' so as not to scare radiophobes, i.e. people who know nothing about the subject but set about scaremongering. You get more radiation from eating a banana than living next to a fission station. As for waste, I worked out roughly that per 1000MWe per day, you need either ~10,000 tons of coal, or about 70kG of low-enriched uranium. Yeah, it needs to be stored somewhere until we can deal with it better, but there really isn't that much high-level waste in comparison to other dangerous industry by-products. The fact the spent fuel is stored on-site in a cooling pool shows how much (or little) of it there is.

As for the scaremongering about failed plants, they were all poorly designed and managed Gen 1 reactors, which will not be built again. An analogy I used; the DC-10 was an infamously unsafe plane which led to hundreds of deaths (more than failed power plants), so because of that poor design do we completely ban air travel?

As for biologists, most I know support fission. In fact most/all reasonably knowledgeable people I know support it. Greenpeace is just a scaremongering, money-making, borderline-terrorist corporation.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/WR...e-1911124.html

[Phage]

Did you see the footage of people screaming at the sheep trucks in Ramsgate ? Those people are frankly terrifying.