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    US school tags students to check attendance through location

    I've only noticed this because of the court case surrounding one girl who refuses to wear the tag, citing religious reasons, but to my mind the concept itself is incredibly creepy.

    When I was at school they attempted to introduce a card-swipe based system to verify students' attendance in lessons, and that felt pretty unpleasant, but to monitor people through chips to check their location? I'm amazed that anyone would let things get this far. Would anyone actually consider complying with this?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20461752

    A court challenge has delayed plans to expel a Texan student for refusing to wear a radio tag that tracked her movements.

    Religious reasons led Andrea Hernandez to stop wearing the tag that revealed where she was on her school campus.

    The tags were introduced to track students and help tighten control of school funding.

    A Texan court has granted a restraining order filed by a civil rights group pending a hearing on use of the tags.

    ID badges containing radio tags started to be introduced at the start of the 2012 school year to schools run by San Antonio's Northside Independent School District (NISD). The tracking tags gave NISD a better idea of the numbers of students attending classes each day - the daily average of which dictates how much cash it gets from state coffers.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    Wrong just wrong that's all I can say.

    I have thought of getting a tag so that I can monitor our 4 year old when she goes out to play, this is motivated by the fact the we are surrounded by lakes here with the closest one being about 150 yards out the front door and I had seen one that you could set up a perimeter so if she went to close the the lake my phone would start beeping to warn me.

    To me that's a proper use for a tracking chip.

    But I can see no valid reason to put tracking chips on kids in school, the system will not work as someone cutting school just gets one of their friends to carry their tag in their pocket.

    The system can too easily be abused and some weirdo could use the tags to track kids outside of school.

    It just cuts too close to spying for my liking.

    You want to know if kids are attending their classes? what happened to taking attendance at the beginning of each class?

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    Creepy doesn't even begin to cover it. But America has been on a massive authoritarian streak for some decades now.
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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkspeed View Post
    You want to know if kids are attending their classes? what happened to taking attendance at the beginning of each class?
    Teachers lost respect. I've seen so many failed attempts to regulate classes. Also, teachers crying in the canteen or corridor was a frequent view when I've been contracting in uk schools.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    Quote Originally Posted by ehhhhhhh View Post
    Teachers lost respect. I've seen so many failed attempts to regulate classes. Also, teachers crying in the canteen or corridor was a frequent view when I've been contracting in uk schools.
    I think your making a different argument or missing the point all together? Registers are taken at the start of the lessen. So if the pupils upset the teachers, it's unlikely to effect taking the register. RFID tags are unlikely to change the behavior of students in class either, so again, not really sure i see your point.
    There's also the fact that the article is referring to colleges and not high school. Student behavior is generally better in higher education as they have made the choice to be there.

    The RFID tags are quite a prospect, but you have to wonder why. If there was a need or a demand to have instant access or electronic data as to who was in what class then swipe cards on the entrance to the class rooms would be a better option. It's kinda creepy having RFID tags.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    RFID tags are downright creepy, if you want to use survellance technology, equip the classrooms with dumb terminals, issue the kids with a login card and password, and have them put their work onto the dumb terminal instead of writing it down.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    There may be a less sinister reason. I have worn RFID tagged I'd cards at work, on a large site with many buildings. The rationale is that you are tagged in and out if the building, so that in the event if a fire, everyone can be accounted for quickly. RFID tagging is ideal for this as it requires no user intervention at all.
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    Providing the data is collected anomalously, I don't see the need to get worked up about it. Gives the university some statistics, helps them with detailed foot traffic analysis, which doors and buildings are used the most at certain times, where to put food courts, traffic management plans, lectures with poor attendance, lecturers with good attendance etc etc I can see why this would be hugely useful to a business.

    Taking a register of a lecture with 150+ people in it? Its not feasible. 4 years of uni meant I watched then first hand try and fail!

    Religion used as the grounds of the complaint? What a farce...

    Does it mention if the data is anonymous or not? If it doesn't then I imagine it is anonymous. On my mobile so hard to go back and double check.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    Quote Originally Posted by Andehh View Post
    Does it mention if the data is anonymous or not? If it doesn't then I imagine it is anonymous. On my mobile so hard to go back and double check.

    THE PILOT

    The Student Locator Project is currently being piloted at two schools. They are Jay High School and Jones Middle School, two of 112 schools in Northside ISD. The pilot will last one year after which time the data will be evaluated and decisions made about further implementation in future years.

    Jay and Jones have a combined enrollment of 4,200 students (out of a projected 100,000 students in NISD). The pilot is small relative to the size of the school district. The "smart" ID cards only work within the school.

    THREE GOALS

    Increase student safety and security. Our students' parents expect that we always know where their children are in our schools.

    Increase attendance. Through more efficient attendance management, schools can generate additional revenues by identifying students who are not in their seats during roll call but who are in the school and locate them. (Increased attendance = increased state revenues)

    Provide multi-purpose "Smart" Student ID card. The Student ID will provide access to the library and cafeteria, serve as a photo ID, and allow for the purchase of tickets to schools' extracurricular activities. Other uses will be rolled out during the pilot program.e school and locate them. (Increased attendance = increased state revenues)
    So going by the bit in bold, it can't be anonymous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andehh View Post
    Taking a register of a lecture with 150+ people in it? Its not feasible. 4 years of uni meant I watched then first hand try and fail!
    Except for the fact that these schools are not universities with 150+ students in a lecture.

    They are normal public schools, one a High School the Other a Middle School (Junior High if you like) where there would probably be maximum 40 students per class.

    The article clearly states that these tags are to track student attendance to classes and as has already been said they could get the same information simply by using a swipe card system, these systems are already in use in many schools throughout the world.

    In a perfect world yes this tech would be no problem, however we do not live in a perfect world and since these tags do not only function on school property you have to worry about the freak that figures out some way to pervert the system so they can track where high school girls are going to be.....

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    It's wrong, but am sure it's a sign of things to come. Pretty sure in the soon to far future, the moment we are born we will be injected with a bio-chip with our name and our details.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    For me, there is nothing wrong with the concept or the technology. Heck having a real time inventory of your children makes sense, even without the health and safety (fire lists) implications.

    However the way they want to apply it just appears creepy. It's also kinda sad the manner in which the schools are introducing this, its more akin to being a jail than providing a place for learning. The fact they don't consult the children in any way is frankly stupid, also they fail to really leverage the tech.

    I mean they could have projects for say controlling the AC/Heating depending on the people flow etc.

    But instead its more about jailing the kids.
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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    I think I wouldn't be as disturbed by it if it was just a virtual register. It's this bit that's really unpleasant:

    by identifying students who are not in their seats during roll call but who are in the school and locate them

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    I can see the advantages in a fire or rampant gunman situation though - you need that location service.

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    Re: US school tags students to check attendance through location

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    I can see the advantages in a fire or rampant gunman situation though - you need that location service.
    They're both exceptional circumstances, though, even for America.
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