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    Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99% )

    I picked up on this a while ago via reading some Hugo De Garris articles like this.

    Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots , but given their history and further control this would given them - ( the 1% ) I find that very hard to believe.

    Theres too much tech being invested into war and drones being used to terrorize and kill civilians , what happens when theres no human instinct or emotion there to provide moral relief ?

    I dont care how fail safe they say it is machines do go wrong ( like many human inventions ) and can also be hacked or hijacked by other humans too.

    I could see Hackers drooling over something like this ( which might not be so bad ) considering whose already in charge as it is.

    None of this will end IMO - however I dont mind the idea of using AI for specific purposes ie medical , transport ( even cybernetic implants ) but dealing with death IMO is something that should and always be a human responsibility because we are aware of it - and machines are not.

    Which brings me to the next point , when is a human ( cyborg ) no longer human or a machine more human than machine ?

    Unless you an prove the soul exists or operates how we will we know what the long term consequences of any of this bring , when we have yet to know who we are ourselves ?

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Blessed are the geeks!

    Actually I'm fairly sure a worrying number of pilots I went to school with are flying drones. They've all moved to :redacted: and don't tell me about what their flying..... Pilots always brag about what they are flying.
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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    This was on the BBC. They are going to 'Risk Assess a Robot Uprising' basically ...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20501091

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    The problem with that study though is if the machines are planning on overthrowing us surely they would get the computers to report there is low risk so they could lull us into a false sense of security

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by Larkspeed View Post
    The problem with that study though is if the machines are planning on overthrowing us surely they would get the computers to report there is low risk so they could lull us into a false sense of security
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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by melon View Post
    .... and can also be hacked or hijacked by other humans too.
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    Theoretically possible, but nowhere near as easy as you might think. I have some photos somewhere of what was a top secret US military modem, designed to be a secure link to satellites. This was, at the time, a development project, not a published photo. This "modem" was a size of a couple of large filing cabinets, and I could probably have stood up inside an empty cabinet, or certainly, not far off doing so. It had world-class (and I do mean that) encryption, and both the uplink and the satellite were frequency "agile" ... in other words, they frequency-hopped, not only to prevent interception, but to prevent jamming. Even if a hacker could find the frequency it operated on, seconds later, it wouldn't be there. This modem had, if memory serves, something like 50 different processor boards in it.

    And that technology was a Reagan-era Star Wars device, from the thick end of 30 years ago. If it still exists, it's probably in a museum somewhere. And I don't even want to think about what it cost. So if that's what they were using when most of us probably hadn't seen a PC and certainly didn't own one, it invites speculation as to what they use now, doesn't it?

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    ... it invites speculation as to what they use now, doesn't it?
    I'd put money on it being 2048 rapsberry pi's...

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Theoretically possible, but nowhere near as easy as you might think. I have some photos somewhere of what was a top secret US military modem, designed to be a secure link to satellites. This was, at the time, a development project, not a published photo. This "modem" was a size of a couple of large filing cabinets, and I could probably have stood up inside an empty cabinet, or certainly, not far off doing so. It had world-class (and I do mean that) encryption, and both the uplink and the satellite were frequency "agile" ... in other words, they frequency-hopped, not only to prevent interception, but to prevent jamming. Even if a hacker could find the frequency it operated on, seconds later, it wouldn't be there. This modem had, if memory serves, something like 50 different processor boards in it.

    And that technology was a Reagan-era Star Wars device, from the thick end of 30 years ago. If it still exists, it's probably in a museum somewhere. And I don't even want to think about what it cost. So if that's what they were using when most of us probably hadn't seen a PC and certainly didn't own one, it invites speculation as to what they use now, doesn't it?
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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    It may not be easy to hack a drone, but it's happened already.

    http://mashable.com/2012/06/29/drone-hacking/

    it's also likely that the Iranians hack the drone that they brought down

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    It had world-class (and I do mean that) encryption, and both the uplink and the satellite were frequency "agile" ... in other words, they frequency-hopped, not only to prevent interception, but to prevent jamming. Even if a hacker could find the frequency it operated on, seconds later, it wouldn't be there. This modem had, if memory serves, something like 50 different processor boards in it.

    And that technology was a Reagan-era Star Wars device, from the thick end of 30 years ago. If it still exists, it's probably in a museum somewhere. And I don't even want to think about what it cost. So if that's what they were using when most of us probably hadn't seen a PC and certainly didn't own one, it invites speculation as to what they use now, doesn't it?
    Given the superiority US held in technology then compared to now ( at least Im assuming they did ) I wonder if satellite frequency being "agile" had other purposes too .



    I tend to think anything invented by a human can be destroyed by humans too , everything perhaps that is apart from the " soul " .

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    I think it's also a point that anything can go wrong at any time, human or robot. Everything breaks. You just gotta hope that it isn't holding a weapon or carrying a bomb when it does

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by Onkston View Post
    I think it's also a point that anything can go wrong at any time, human or robot. Everything breaks. You just gotta hope that it isn't holding a weapon or carrying a bomb when it does
    And who takes responsibility if it does ?

    Again just bad idea all round , we cant even manage the basics properly without screwing ourselves and the planet - business and ethics just do not mix and thats what this all comes down to in the end .. who gets whats , and who doesnt.

    I certainly would be opposed to any development of machine that was self aware , or where that could lead , funnily enough theres a massive arc based on that ( some supervillian robot / demi god ) thats coming up in MARVEL comics apparently -biggest in years so they say...


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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Last I heard, the Pentagon was considering awarding Drone Pilots medals for 'bravery'.

    Now I can understand giving an awad for a job well done, or contributing to a successful mission, but 'Bravery'?

    How brave do you have to be to sit in a cubicle in Virginia and play computer games?

    Just give them double XP points and another Mountain Dew...

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    I'd put money on it being 2048 rapsberry pi's...
    There would be Pi on their face if the link got hacked!!

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    Last I heard, the Pentagon was considering awarding Drone Pilots medals for 'bravery'.

    Now I can understand giving an awad for a job well done, or contributing to a successful mission, but 'Bravery'?

    How brave do you have to be to sit in a cubicle in Virginia and play computer games?

    Just give them double XP points and another Mountain Dew...
    I dont know whats more worrying then, the robots , the operators who are using them , or the Government who are brainwashing them or buying them out to their ways.

    As the million dollar man used to say , " everybody has a price "

    Also what happens the day a robot realises its a slave ?

    You cant make it smart and self aware then expect it to do as you say if you dont care ... and what sort of person would send someone they care about into war ?

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    Re: Pentagon insists that humans will always control killer robots ( just not the 99%

    I think this sums it up for me



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