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    Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693

    Not sure of the truth in the 'watching cat videos' bit...

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Thing is, most outsourcing fails badly, because its not technical people running it and they buy leamons, it becomes a market for them.

    If you have a good techie, who is able to be the top developer thanks to his outsourcing he is doing something incredibly right.
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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    If he was a good techie, he'd have had the Chinese firm route through his own ISP at home so there wouldn't have been a questionable audit trail in the first place...

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Evidence even suggested he had the same scam going across multiple companies in the area. All told, it looked like he earned several hundred thousand dollars a year, and only had to pay the Chinese consulting firm about $50,000 (£31,270) annually.
    Pure genius.

    He clearly got too complacent, leaving a trail of evidence.

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Quote Originally Posted by SUMMONER View Post
    Pure genius.

    He clearly got too complacent, leaving a trail of evidence.
    True, but with the kind of money he was making, he can easily set up his own business and continue to let others do his job, seems like he is smart enough to pull that off.

    Pure genius indeed.

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Genius my arse. How about doing the work he was employed to do and not compromising the security and integrity of the Company that was handsomely rewarding him?

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    Genius my arse. How about doing the work he was employed to do and not compromising the security and integrity of the Company that was handsomely rewarding him?
    He was employed to do a job and produce a result. Provided he produced the output required of him, does it matter how he achieved it?

    If he was a contractor, with a right if substitution clause in his contract, the outsourcing a job to provide a result for which he is ultimately responsible and accountable for, then that is a business decision.
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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    He was employed to do a job and produce a result. Provided he produced the output required of him, does it matter how he achieved it?
    Yes, it does. If he breached conditions of his employment contract, then it hella matters. If he was deliberately deceiving his employer it hella matters. If he was allowing major security breaches and risking confidential and business-sensitive information, then it extra-hella matters.

    Of course, none of that stops it being genius (although as I've already said, IMNSHO it falls at least one step short of being genius by being easily traceable) - genius != honesty. But given he was under an employment contract, then it absolutely matters how he conducted himself in the course of that employment.

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Three big ifs there - but I take your point - although without knowing his conditions of employment, it is impossible to say what conditions he may have breached. We don't know anything about the sensitivity of the work, and as for deception - if his task was "to produce code that does...." and he has produced the code that does... then he has fulfilled the task. If it was "you are to personally produce..." then that is a different matter.
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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    He was employed to do a job and produce a result. Provided he produced the output required of him, does it matter how he achieved it?

    If he was a contractor, with a right if substitution clause in his contract, the outsourcing a job to provide a result for which he is ultimately responsible and accountable for, then that is a business decision.
    Surely it wouldn't be a story at all if this was simply a matter of doing business? You can't have employees or contractors taking the unilateral decision to let others by pass Company security arrangements to let someone else do their job for them.

    I wonder how DR would feel if you were to outsource your mod responsibility and let someone log on as you (and in that instance money isn't even changing hands)?

    Go on, let me do it, I promise not to abuse the privilege .

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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    Surely it wouldn't be a story at all if this was simply a matter of doing business? You can't have employees or contractors taking the unilateral decision to let others by pass Company security arrangements to let someone else do their job for them.

    I wonder how DR would feel if you were to outsource your mod responsibility and let someone log on as you (and in that instance money isn't even changing hands)?

    Go on, let me do it, I promise not to abuse the privilege .
    But as I would still be responsible, I would have to moderate your moderation - as this guy was still responsible for the quality of work produced!

    And moderating your moderation would be harder than doing it myself!

    (and anyway, moderating HEXUS is far more onerous and important than providing some bit of commercial code!)
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    Re: Bored with your job? Outsource it to China...

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    But as I would still be responsible, I would have to moderate your moderation - as this guy was still responsible for the quality of work produced!

    And moderating your moderation would be harder than doing it myself!

    (and anyway, moderating HEXUS is far more onerous and important than providing some bit of commercial code!)
    The reason you wouldn't do it peter is simply because it ain't right.

    Would I, with your privileges, be able to cause damage that might not be apparent?

    Is it right that Hexus, which has placed its trust in you, should rely on your judgement of me? I may be commercially targeting Hexus or up to something less obvious like targeting an individual. I may delete to my heart's content...

    When you're given privilege (and in the case in question, payment) to do a task, decent people will honour the trust placed in them. Decisions made unilaterally outside this could affect a lot of people and/or jeopardise a Company.

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