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    Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    What do you think about this?

    On the one hand if they really don't think he would mind or would consider it a decent use of the medals then each to their own. On the other hand it just doesn't seem right that someone should have to sell medals to provide medical care.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Absolutely disgusting that he should have to sell a damn thing after his service.

    This is the end result of the conservatives lying and slashing away at the NHS and benefits over a budget problem that doesn't exist.

    £120k? A couple of millionaire MPs paying their own bloody expenses would cover it, no problem.

    More importantly than any of that though is that there will be so many others out there like him who don't have £120k of assets ready to be auctioned off, who will often go without the care they need because the worlds sixth largest economy claims they can't afford it after asking and getting so much from them.

    National disgrace.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quote Originally Posted by Galant View Post
    What do you think about this?

    On the one hand if they really don't think he would mind or would consider it a decent use of the medals then each to their own. On the other hand it just doesn't seem right that someone should have to sell medals to provide medical care.

    Thoughts?
    Totally agree, but then theres worse things that can happen too .
    Doesnt change what he did to get them ,or his memories - nothing other than death perhaps can take that.

    All objects are just objects in the end.. without the emotional investment we place in them everything is meaningless..

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    and again david baboon giving to his backers and taking it from the rest - rob the poor to give to the rich.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    The family are turning down offers of help stating that there are many others without such a possibility to fall back on.
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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    but dont worry david baboon and the tory party want to cut funding to the military and pay off his banker friends...

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quite the touchy subject.


    On general principle this is absolute BS. This man once put his life on the line for king and country, and it is right and proper that the country should match this bravery with support.

    Of course this is one view. However the other view, regarding the voluntary ending of life, is far too emotionally charged to talk about without causing offence. But like the moron I am I will try and express my views as eloquently as I can, and believe me the last thing I want to do is come across as some belligerent prick who doesn't care about the sacrifices men like Mr Murbridge made for this country.

    This man is 92 years old. What will selling these medals/logbook/flying jacket accomplish? They will extend his life, but for how long? I would guess a few months. We also have to remember that Mr Burbridge is suffering from Alzheimer's, and is probably in the advanced stages too. That means that he is most likely suffering in some capacity.

    To me money doesn't even factor in to this case. I cannot see any quality of life.

    I would much rather see Mr Burbridge leave us with his possessions, rather than see him suffer for a few more months and see his possessions in the hands of people who only care about the value of said possessions.
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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    As he was a Lay Preacher. I imagine euthanasia/suicide would be a moot point in this case as it would likely conflict with his religious beliefs.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
    As he was a Lay Preacher. I imagine euthanasia/suicide would be a moot point in this case as it would likely conflict with his religious beliefs.
    In which case, he needs to pray harder, and surely God will help him, one way or another.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    So this one is emotive, it's completely that he is selling medals, ultimately they are something of value, given to him in return for his service to the country.

    Which is the same as someone who has say been renumerated with money for their service.

    The issue here is that mental healthcare is so damned expensive. Care is an odd one, becuase if someone needed complex leg surgery they would simply stay in hospital for the time it was needed. They wouldn't be expected to sell any assets.

    Care of old people is differen't, because ultimately they are expected to sell pretty much every asset. This is no differen't because its about medals, it just has an odd mix of putting both the daily mail and socialists up in arms, quite a great headline.

    The main problem with care is simply that no one wants to, or expects too. I'm not saying we should have a full blown confuscias culture but we expect the state to take care of our parents when they get passed it, but not to pay for it.

    Care is increadibly expensive, and if the family can not take care of their eldely relative, then I won't loose sleep at night at the thought of the family loosing their inheritence, harsh as that is, it is at least fair.

    The problem is that previous generations haven't actually bothered to set asside enough money for their retirement.

    So for me, if you can't guess its a 'meh'. I've said time and time again we should instead be looking to invest in and improve our infrastructure, provide better education options and get the population more economically active. This will have an effect of providing a better quality of life in the future.
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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    So this one is emotive, it's completely that he is selling medals, ultimately they are something of value, given to him in return for his service to the country.

    Which is the same as someone who has say been renumerated with money for their service.

    The issue here is that mental healthcare is so damned expensive. Care is an odd one, becuase if someone needed complex leg surgery they would simply stay in hospital for the time it was needed. They wouldn't be expected to sell any assets.

    Care of old people is differen't, because ultimately they are expected to sell pretty much every asset. This is no differen't because its about medals, it just has an odd mix of putting both the daily mail and socialists up in arms, quite a great headline.

    The main problem with care is simply that no one wants to, or expects too. I'm not saying we should have a full blown confuscias culture but we expect the state to take care of our parents when they get passed it, but not to pay for it.

    Care is increadibly expensive, and if the family can not take care of their eldely relative, then I won't loose sleep at night at the thought of the family loosing their inheritence, harsh as that is, it is at least fair.

    The problem is that previous generations haven't actually bothered to set asside enough money for their retirement.

    So for me, if you can't guess its a 'meh'. I've said time and time again we should instead be looking to invest in and improve our infrastructure, provide better education options and get the population more economically active. This will have an effect of providing a better quality of life in the future.
    I basically agree with all that, except that in the context of care, people failed to provide "enough". If you look at the vast cost of such care, most people don't earn anything like enough to adequately fund such care for what might be a very protracted period.

    Nor, to a great extent, was it possible to anticipate the need until relatively recently. We are, in a sense, victims of our own success, because until relatively recently, most of us died of one thing or another before this became a real problem.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    It is a shame that the medals have to be sold but needs must I guess. Pity the governments Don't look after the aged as good as they could!

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    I basically agree with all that, except that in the context of care, people failed to provide "enough". If you look at the vast cost of such care, most people don't earn anything like enough to adequately fund such care for what might be a very protracted period.

    Nor, to a great extent, was it possible to anticipate the need until relatively recently. We are, in a sense, victims of our own success, because until relatively recently, most of us died of one thing or another before this became a real problem.
    I guess I was trying to contrast the idea of not having aged old family in the home. I don't want to live like an old fashioned south koreans (who are notorious for confuscian unity) but we also have a healthy amount of Homer Simpsons Can't someone else do it. Which if you recall ended badly.
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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    I guess I was trying to contrast the idea of not having aged old family in the home. I don't want to live like an old fashioned south koreans (who are notorious for confuscian unity) but we also have a healthy amount of Homer Simpsons Can't someone else do it. Which if you recall ended badly.
    Well, as someone that can't stand the Simpsons, no, I don't remember it ending, badly or otherwise. But I think I get your thrust, anyway. My only point was over the 'failure to provide in advance' point.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    but dont worry david baboon and the tory party want to cut funding to the military and pay off his banker friends...
    I thought that they were the re-allocating the aid budget to cover the defence cuts!!??

    OTH,don't worry as it we might be ditching our Eurofighters in 10 years for F35s.

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    Re: Veteran's Family selling medals to provide for his care

    Care of the extreme disabled or terminally ill can easily cost tens of thousands of pounds per month. Each month of care for someone like this probably costs someone else (average worker on £30k) a year's worth of tax.

    So the question is this. Is it morally right that 12 younger people should have their entire tax bill consumed to make a difference to the quality of life of someone like this for a year?

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