Guns in America: we move onward into a new level of special thinking...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21721518

into "'A teacher with a gun could have stopped him'

My absolute word.....

They should hold a motion to put an ED209 in every US classroom. That will cut down crime....and probably more.

Maybe. Possibly.

What we know for sure is that unarmed teachers were killed.

'Do your homework or else!' *click*

Armed teachers probably could have stopped him, but it does raise a whole new load of "what if"s

All I see from that is:

they arm the teachers

5 years from now some teacher wigs out and guns down his or her entire class

The same people that said we should arm teachers will be saying "why the hell did you give teachers guns.. are you crazy?"

and for the record, an armed guard in the school could have stopped him as well but they did not have one of those either.

I wish wolfram alpha would allow me to enter the following query.

Number of teachers shot dead in 2012 in the USA vs Number of students assaulted by their teachers in 2012 in the USA.

One day NLP will let me..... one day.

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Originally Posted by Larkspeed

All I see from that is:

they arm the teachers

5 years from now some teacher wigs out and guns down his or her entire class

The same people that said we should arm teachers will be saying "why the hell did you give teachers guns.. are you crazy?"

and for the record, an armed guard in the school could have stopped him as well but they did not have one of those either.

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How many teachers have been prevented from gunning down their class because it was illegal to bring a gun into a school?

As TheAnimus just said how many teachers have been in trouble for assaulting students?

now put a gun in their hand......

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Originally Posted by Larkspeed

All I see from that is:

they arm the teachers

5 years from now some teacher wigs out and guns down his or her entire class

The same people that said we should arm teachers will be saying "why the hell did you give teachers guns.. are you crazy?"

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Wrong!

THose same people will say;
"Well, if the students were armed, they could have stopped him"

Come on, you know that's how this debate works. NRA won't give an inch, won't make any concession. To be fair, if they did then it would likely open the floodgates to significant tightening of gun laws, and that's what they really want to avoid. The further to the extreme they position themselves, the further the "middle point" in the debate has to move.

Ok I see it this way.

Ignore the teacher gunning down a student cos student is irritating
Also ignore a teacher feeling under any stress or obligation to take seems lessons instead if being a passive teaching personality.

Simply ask this question; would the teacher need to carry the twin, holstered like policeman ask the time so the firearm is instantly usable anywhere needed? Ie hall way, class room , gymnasium,playing field,dining room?
If so, when do they are themselves to remove the danger of an attack? At home? Staff room immediately on arriving at school ?
And where are the guns and ammo stored? Who signs them in and out ? And how are they secured from theft by students or staff or public?

It's too messy to consider surely?

Tricky subject.

In the blue corner:
Individual freedoms and a country's constitution. Trendy lefties conveniently forget how important these two things are.

In the red corner:
A country largely full of illiterate hill-billy idiots and violent 'urban demographic' types who make TOWIE watching Brits look smart.

And not much real-world middle ground. Either people can have guns or they can't. Something cultural has happened too. 1950s America didn't have all this stuff going on (not perfect I'll grant, but not like now)

No easy answer.

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Originally Posted by wasabi

No easy answer.

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ED209. Its middle name is no discrimination.

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Originally Posted by wasabi

Tricky subject.

In the blue corner:
Individual freedoms and a country's constitution. Trendy lefties conveniently forget how important these two things are.

In the red corner:
A country largely full of illiterate hill-billy idiots and violent 'urban demographic' types who make TOWIE watching Brits look smart.

And not much real-world middle ground. Either people can have guns or they can't. Something cultural has happened too. 1950s America didn't have all this stuff going on (not perfect I'll grant, but not like now)

No easy answer.

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In the 1950's we didn't have the media that we do today. Every school shooting is big news, and that virtually guarantees the next one.

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Originally Posted by Zak33

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21721518

into "'A teacher with a gun could have stopped him'

My absolute word.....

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That's nothing Zak...

The US state of South Dakota has enacted a law allowing school districts to arm teachers and other school staff

Or maybe just a guy with a slipper, and if that doesn't work, then the cane!!.....but of course mommy and daddy would rather sue the school for abuse than actually discipline their own child at the appropriate age before he\she became a mass killer due to lack of parental guidance??!!


Seriously, you young folks need to wise up, and stop pretending counseling is the answer to all of society's ill's, good old fashioned discipline (and yes that may include a smack around the ear) is the way to ensure appropriate behaviour. Either that, or let's arm Parents so that when a kid steps out of line we can kill the little swine and end the problem there and then!! :)

Dingo that kind of parenting has created just as many violent children mate. I personally agree that capital punishmentDOES have a place. But it doesn't prevent the creation of killers