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    Leadership of the Labour Party

    Dear Ed

    You are a bright and likeable man but there are others with more charisma, statesmanship and leadership ability. May I suggest that, for the Labour Party and for the Country, you step aside and let someone who can win the next election take over?

    Like your brother.

    There will always be room for a man of your considerable intellect in the Labour Party but the top job does not suit your skill imho.

    Yours respectfully

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    He's not bright or likeable. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13971770

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    But who else will do precisely what the unions tell him too?
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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    As a longtime detractor of the labour party I have to say I think Ed Miliband is a wonderful man for the job.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Ed Minibrain always makes me think that he's like a school boy, complete with shorts and cap.

    Somewhat like Nick Clegg used to be, the little boy with big ideas but no one is listening.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Hopeless, I can't think of better word to describ him. He just don't fill me with much cofidence.

    Sadly with Mr Cameron proving how little he knows about the internet, yet milking it for every middle-class-daily-mail-reading-liberal vote there is is equally annoying me.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    I'm quite happy if he wants to hold on to his leadership - it reduces the chances of Labour being elected next time around which can only be good news for the rest of us

    It is rather amazing that he was elected by his own party over his brother though, he smacks of being a "yes man" put in place to say what he's told and to not speak otherwise (and we've seen the results when he does...).

    Even taking aside any party politics..could anyone see him as the PM? I mean Brown was bad enough but at least he had the air of a statesman...

    I wonder if Labour are planning a late on re-election to put someone useful in charge - that could be an interesting play to swing those voters who just can't cope with the concept of voting conservative, are not quite daft enough to vote for the fruitcakes but also don't want to put him in charge. They wouldn't even have to come up with any credible policy to win the election if they played it right.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Honestly i think Labour have made utterly shocking opposition the last few years, it's like they weren't even trying. I want "call me Dave" gone but I wouldn't trust Ed to manage the proverbial in a brewery.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    I think if you took the best and brightest from amongst the current parties (both in Government and in opposition) you couldn't even form a decent cabinet (and could barely fill a telephone box, come to think of it.)

    Bah.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Weak opposition is unhealthy. Nick Clegg has brought more embarrassment to the Government than Ed Milliband and Mr Clegg is the Deputy Dawg.

    Ed is just not suited to the role; he's missed too many opportunities. He needs to go.

    Why David Milliband didn't get the job is beyond me. He's the kind of person we can't afford to lose accross the pond.

    The trouble is it all needs to happen now.

    I'm warning you Ed, if you're still here at christmas it's no pressies for you (there, that oughta do it).

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    Why David Milliband didn't get the job is beyond me. He's the kind of person we can't afford to lose accross the pond.
    Because of the reason labour is a broken party in a democratic society, the unions.
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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Because of the reason labour is a broken party in a democratic society, the unions.
    Well, the principle of union membership is also a desirable feature of a democratic society. I know what you mean though.

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    I hate all this personality politics stuff. Politics is becoming more and more like a reality TV show. We seem to WANT morons spouting meaningless drivel in charge, while those in opposition shout vague ad hominem insults at the leadership.
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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Quote Originally Posted by santa claus View Post
    Well, the principle of union membership is also a desirable feature of a democratic society. I know what you mean though.
    Strongly disagree.

    The principle of what it used to be, back when it was needed was a kind of democratic principle, but even then it was rather nepotistic (however the system it was fighting was so). When you have people who are starving, they will work for a breadline wage, in a town which the only shop is owned by the mill owner, so they ensure they get back all the money.

    Now no one has that.

    Now the unions end up being a mono-political force. They are the only option. Go against the union? Well someone might drop a cylinder block on you. If you dare to go outside of the union you destroy its concept, so therefore it can't be allowed.

    However the monopoly the employer had has ended. The unions are a calvary charge to the machine gun. They don't work, because the rules are different.

    This isn't a surprise, Keynes predicted much of it, as the mechanisation actually means there is less work to be done. The idea of hours of a mindless laborious work available are long gone for the most part.

    As such a union is very un-democratic. It exists to impose its will on the individual, not the other way round. It is desperate to prove its worth it contributes to the short termism that is going to be crippling us even further (defined benefit, undefined costs, such as government pensions schemes).

    Given the cost of family legal insurance from private providers, who are more likely to be going to support you in any action, the main need for a union standing up for its member is also gone. We have employment laws which are more effective than a union and whilst they can be used negatively just as crippling, but they have a due process.

    You look at union posterboys, the NUM pay how much for a London Flat for someone who was long removed from power? The RMT who pay their union board members more than the TFL equivalents (despite the latter been forbidden from having the lucrative outside pay!). In fact look at any industry we are struggling to modernise and the unions are crippling them. I have not heard of an example in recent times of a union controlling the monopoly of workers for an industry which is flourishing in a stable manner.
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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    S The RMT who pay their union board members more than the TFL equivalents (despite the latter been forbidden from having the lucrative outside pay!). In fact look at any industry we are struggling to modernise and the unions are crippling them. I have not heard of an example in recent times of a union controlling the monopoly of workers for an industry which is flourishing in a stable manner.
    What a cracking statement, oh so true!

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    Re: Leadership of the Labour Party

    The only "problem" i see with unions is the way that they count votes on things.

    They should only get to count the submitted votes, and need at least 50% of ALL members voting for something for it to count.

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