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    Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Hi guys .

    if you learn at university of hertfordshire i would like your kind opinion about the university. At the same time if you know the university please tell me a little about its reputation , ranking and how is the employment for the graduates etc.

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

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    please tell me a little about its reputation , ranking and how is the employment for the graduates etc.

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    Check out Unistats: http://unistats.direct.gov.uk/

    This is compiled from the NSS and a few other sources, so it's normally quite good.
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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nipun View Post
    Hi guys .

    if you learn at university of hertfordshire i would like your kind opinion about the university. At the same time if you know the university please tell me a little about its reputation , ranking and how is the employment for the graduates etc.
    There are better. It ranks about 80-somethingth out of ~120 in the country so pretty near the bottom.

    http://www.theguardian.com/education...gue-table-2014

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    It ranks about 80-somethingth out of 120 in the country so pretty near the bottom.
    The ranking system is horrendously broken, so don't rely on just that. It's a system that's played to such a level, that in any other area it would be called cheating.

    If you want to get a job in a certain area, it's normally a better bet to look at a uni that has a course that is well known in that area. Check their graduate employability rates, places they have been employed, facilities and so on... I've never really understood how a university ranking is overly useful, if it's the best in the area you're looking to study.
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    The ranking system is horrendously broken, so don't rely on just that. It's a system that's played to such a level, that in any other area it would be called cheating.

    If you want to get a job in a certain area, it's normally a better bet to look at a uni that has a course that is well known in that area. Check their graduate employability rates, places they have been employed, facilities and so on... I've never really understood how a university ranking is overly useful, if it's the best in the area you're looking to study.
    You can sort the table I linked by employability etc. Herts is still near the bottom

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    I studied there for about 20 months, before running out of money, and found it to be quite administratively disorganised. Admitedly, I was on a nursing course at the time, and had started in February, rather than September, which undoubtedly contributed to the lack of communication from departments.

    I've also had friends study there more recently, and have said much the same, it's hard to get information out of the staff as to what is going on at any one point.

    On the flip side, the lecturers employed for both nursing and comp-sci (the areas that I and my friends have had experience with), are good and knowledagble in their fields.


    The other big issue is parking, if you drive, despite the out of town location, there's sod all parking places, and those that are available are expensive. There are bus services, but even those aren't particularly useful as the nearest parking sites are all commercial places with CCTV. There's rumours of a park & ride service, but I could never get any information about it out the admin staff.

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    More importantly, the Student's Union bar is supposed to be really good.

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Ignore anything that's based off the NSS, as it's horribly broken and complete unsuitable for purpose. Ignore all the rankings and league tables for the same reason, and the fact that institutions can game the meaning out of them. Ignore anything the university says about itself (Edge Hill claims to be a top ten university because it's ranked ninth on one particularly meaningless measure from one of the ranking definitions).

    Do exactly what you are doing, and ask people for personal impressions of having been there. It's the only way to actually get to know what it's like. And apologies to everyone who's toes I'm stomping on in saying that, but I have two family members working separately in this field who say pretty much exactly the above. You simply can't trust any of the external measurment tools. They're essentially worthless.

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    Don't go to Uni but work right next to it... All I can say is Hatfield is not a great place to live

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Ignore anything that's based off the NSS, as it's horribly broken and complete unsuitable for purpose. Ignore all the rankings and league tables for the same reason, and the fact that institutions can game the meaning out of them. Ignore anything the university says about itself (Edge Hill claims to be a top ten university because it's ranked ninth on one particularly meaningless measure from one of the ranking definitions).

    Do exactly what you are doing, and ask people for personal impressions of having been there. It's the only way to actually get to know what it's like. And apologies to everyone who's toes I'm stomping on in saying that, but I have two family members working separately in this field who say pretty much exactly the above. You simply can't trust any of the external measurment tools. They're essentially worthless.
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    More importantly, the Student's Union bar is supposed to be really good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    I studied there for about 20 months, before running out of money, and found it to be quite administratively disorganised. Admitedly, I was on a nursing course at the time, and had started in February, rather than September, which undoubtedly contributed to the lack of communication from departments.

    I've also had friends study there more recently, and have said much the same, it's hard to get information out of the staff as to what is going on at any one point.

    On the flip side, the lecturers employed for both nursing and comp-sci (the areas that I and my friends have had experience with), are good and knowledagble in their fields.


    The other big issue is parking, if you drive, despite the out of town location, there's sod all parking places, and those that are available are expensive. There are bus services, but even those aren't particularly useful as the nearest parking sites are all commercial places with CCTV. There's rumours of a park & ride service, but I could never get any information about it out the admin staff.
    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    You can sort the table I linked by employability etc. Herts is still near the bottom
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    The ranking system is horrendously broken, so don't rely on just that. It's a system that's played to such a level, that in any other area it would be called cheating.

    If you want to get a job in a certain area, it's normally a better bet to look at a uni that has a course that is well known in that area. Check their graduate employability rates, places they have been employed, facilities and so on... I've never really understood how a university ranking is overly useful, if it's the best in the area you're looking to study.
    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    There are better. It ranks about 80-somethingth out of ~120 in the country so pretty near the bottom.

    http://www.theguardian.com/education...gue-table-2014
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    Check out Unistats: http://unistats.direct.gov.uk/

    This is compiled from the NSS and a few other sources, so it's normally quite good.




    Thanks everyone for the information . I think as you guys said earlier. it seems like not a much good university study according to the external rankings .but as scaryjim saying it seem like what important is the "personal impressions of having been there" So tell me guys .who have learn at there. how is the university? I am very thankful to your opinions.
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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Ignore anything that's based off the NSS, as it's horribly broken and complete unsuitable for purpose. Ignore all the rankings and league tables for the same reason, and the fact that institutions can game the meaning out of them. Ignore anything the university says about itself (Edge Hill claims to be a top ten university because it's ranked ninth on one particularly meaningless measure from one of the ranking definitions).

    Do exactly what you are doing, and ask people for personal impressions of having been there. It's the only way to actually get to know what it's like. And apologies to everyone who's toes I'm stomping on in saying that, but I have two family members working separately in this field who say pretty much exactly the above. You simply can't trust any of the external measurment tools. They're essentially worthless.
    Not sure I totally agree - whilst the NSS and similar measures may not inform on the quality of the university experience, they can relate to the usefulness of your degree.

    For example, if one person absolutely hated a course at UCL, and thought it was a worthless experience, and another had a great time doing a course at the University of East London, and equal on all other measures, they both submitted CVs to a company, that firm would be more likely to look at the former on the basis that they've heard of UCL. Unless the person is an expert in the subject field, they're unlikely to know whether university A is better than university B for that particular subject, but they probably will know that one is a Russell Group and the other isn't, or that one is a top-20 and the other isn't.

    I know some people who have absolutely loved life at some unis, but I would never recommend them on the basis that their name carries no weight. And given the type of life they've loved, I can possibly see why.

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Here is the problem guys . i had completed NVQ level 5 already. So to get level 6 i must complete top up degree to complete my Bachelors process. So far i have search in all internet for the universities that offer top up degrees in CS at UK are Herts and London metro. according to the rankings Hert is better. So if you guys know any of University that has better ranking as well as offering top ups . please let me know.
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    There's always Open University?

    Other than that, a google search for "Computer Science "top-up" degree" produced at least 10 different universities on the first page alone. Admitedly Herts comes top of the list, but that just says their web team is better at SEO than the others (or that Google is reading my location and weighting from there)

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    Re: Anyone study at university of hertfordshire?

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Ignore anything that's based off the NSS, as it's horribly broken and complete unsuitable for purpose. Ignore all the rankings and league tables for the same reason, and the fact that institutions can game the meaning out of them.

    You simply can't trust any of the external measurment tools. They're essentially worthless.
    I don't think the NSS is perfect, but it's a quite open and transparent process, I wouldn't go as far as worthless. The questions aren't leading and it's really down to the student to put their feedback down. It is separate to the university and they have no input to the results. It's a student only survey.

    The real worry with the NSS is universities putting pressure on students to write good things. In my experience this doesn't happen often, but it does in some places.

    Did you have anything in particular in mind against it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    There's always Open University?

    Other than that, a google search for "Computer Science "top-up" degree" produced at least 10 different universities on the first page alone. Admitedly Herts comes top of the list, but that just says their web team is better at SEO than the others (or that Google is reading my location and weighting from there)
    i actually did a little deeper research with Google.i even email to Manchester university also since they mention top up word.but I cannot able find a good university other than herts . Any help with your knowladge?
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    I don't think the NSS is perfect, but it's a quite open and transparent process, I wouldn't go as far as worthless. The questions aren't leading and it's really down to the student to put their feedback down. It is separate to the university and they have no input to the results. It's a student only survey.

    The real worry with the NSS is universities putting pressure on students to write good things. In my experience this doesn't happen often, but it does in some places.

    Did you have anything in particular in mind against it?
    It doesn't actually measure student satisfaction at all?

    It's only completed by third years, so you miss all the people who drop out before then, and it gives a very incomplete picture of student life. It's heavily self selected, and therefore has a massive skew in the results towards particular demographics. The questions are very open to interpretation, irrelevant to a number of subjects, and responses are often dependent on the course studied.

    I don't have any references to hand, but a family member is currently working very closely with NSS data. There are better surveys currently in use elsewhere, but there is (unsurprisingly) a lot of political feeling around the NSS and it's unlikely that we'll change to a better version in the near future, despite them being available, and despite people who work with the NSS data recognising that it's unfit for purpose.

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