Ukraine, Russia and Crimea situation

[Phage]

Turkey is nervous. Understandably.
But they won't do anything. They are rattling the sabre to tell Russia to stop where they are. They will act to defend themselves.

Turkey is a huge NATO stalwart, so IF they got involved in a defensive action against a Russian aggressive move THEN we're up the proverbial.

I can't imagine Russia doing that to turkey. The Turks are well armed and supported by the US. It would be utter stupidity.

[j1979]

Apparently Putin has said if America does make any threats he will attack Ukraine.

This is shocking. Putin is causing this and I think he'll do as he pleases, just like Hitler in the Sudetenland.

[Phage]

Russia has made the judgement that neither the EU nor the US will act to stop the partition of the Crimea, and thereby retain control of Sevastopol.
They're probably right.

[j1979]

Just watching protests in St. Petersburg and Moscow against Putins actions.

People on vk.com are saying over 100 protesters have been arrested. Putins PR lock down continues.

[cptwhite_uk]

I can't wait for the day Putin falls, it will be glorious, just who does he think he is putting troops on foreign soil under the pretext of "preserving Russia's interests"? I love the fact that line can be justified in any situation from his perspective. Complete <deleted by Admin> who has an ego the size of the sun and a lack of respect for others and international law that is offensive beyond belief.

NATO should play his bluff and start gearing up for a full defense of Ukrainian sovereignty, let him push the button and see what happens...problem is he probably won't care about all the death and destruction.

This whole episode is simply to destabilise the formation of a pro-western government inside the Ukraine with a secondary objective of little hitler expansionism under the pretext of "defending" ethnic Russians in Crimea. I'm not sure where he sees this going, strategically. Any prolonged or permanent settlement of Russian forces in Crimea will not be acceptable to the West so I can't see that happening. We can't sit back and allow Russia to occupy it's neighbours at will like the school bully.

[Phage]

Crimea is complicated. Thanks to Stalin it's effectively a Russian enclave, so there is plenty of historical reason for Russia to stay in it.

I'm afraid that the west will indeed do nothing. The locals want to be Russian !

[j1979]

I can't wait for the day Putin falls, it will be glorious, just who does he think he is putting troops on foreign soil under the pretext of "preserving Russia's interests"? I love the fact that line can be justified in any situation from his perspective. Complete <deleted by Admin> who has an ego the size of the sun and a lack of respect for others and international law that is offensive beyond belief.

NATO should play his bluff and start gearing up for a full defense of Ukrainian sovereignty, let him push the button and see what happens...problem is he probably won't care about all the death and destruction.

This whole episode is simply to destabilise the formation of a pro-western government inside the Ukraine with a secondary objective of little hitler expansionism under the pretext of "defending" ethnic Russians in Crimea. I'm not sure where he sees this going, strategically. Any prolonged or permanent settlement of Russian forces in Crimea will not be acceptable to the West so I can't see that happening. We can't sit back and allow Russia to occupy it's neighbours at will like the school bully.

+1 couldn't have put it better myself

I have written to my MP to ask for more pressure. www.writetothem.com

[j1979]

[j1979]

The truth is shocking

Russia24 Россия24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EhoDRsvSfU

Is showing the riot scenes from KIEV last week. And saying this is a riot in Simferopol, Crimea! They are blatantly lying to all Russian citizens!

This is state sponsored propaganda the Nazis would be proud of!

All NATO need to threaten action on Russia NOW.
USA and UK promised to protect Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine was to disarm nuclear weapons, and we agreed to uphold their boarders.

Putin's government is planning to attack Ukraine no matter what!


Pause the video at 1:49

look at the top Simferopol "Симферополь" 26th Feb

but all the video is from Kiev!

[j1979]

Getting unconfirmed reports on vk.com of a military build up in Poland. Tanks being loaded onto trains.

I have a link but you need a vk.com login to see the video. The video could be anywhere at be honest and could be a hoax.

But modern Ukraine was born out of the Polish–Soviet war, so I would not be surprised if Poland send in the tanks to help Ukraine.

[j1979]

[j1979]

Polish foreign minister denies that polish troops are on the move via twitter





"Całkowitą nieprawdą są informacje w sieci o jakichkolwiek ruchach jednostek Wojska Polskiego odbiegających od codziennej rutyny."

"The total untrue information on the network of any movements of the Polish Army deviating from the daily routine."

[TheAnimus]

I'm close to giving up here. We are only seeing one side.

Let's say, you lived in the country and where pro Putin. You'd seen the president you voted for displaced after violent protests. Now the regulating strong power arrive, which are one you are in favour of. It's good.

Just for the record, I'm not pro-putin.

So... From the internets.



Points out the hypocrisy.

These troupes aren't welcomed?





It's a quagmire. Some people want Putin. Others do not. It won't end well. But you can't simply blame this on Russia. Some people want to be Russian. If you ignore their views, well you are no better than those you disagree with.

[j1979]

Crimea is complicated. Thanks to Stalin it's effectively a Russian enclave, so there is plenty of historical reason for Russia to stay in it.

I'm afraid that the west will indeed do nothing. The locals want to be Russian !

do they?

who decided that?

l sure in Simferopol and Sevastopol there are many people there that are happy the Russian troops are around to "protect them from the terrorists".

Of my 3 direct in-laws in Sevastopol only 1 wants to be Russian.

Besides Turkey has a say in the future of Crimea. They have an old but still valid treaty.

1783, the Crimean Peninsula was taken away from the dominion of the Ottomans and handed over to Russia. However, one of the most important provisions of this treaty was the debarment of independence for the Peninsula and outlawing its submission to a third party: Should any such attempt be made, then Crimea would automatically have to be returned to the sovereignty of Turkey.

When Ukraine appeared as an independent nation following the disintegration of the USSR in 1991, Turkey acquired the right to claim the Peninsula back based on the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca; however, this was not brought up by the Turgut Ozal administration of the time. Turkey was content with advocating for the rights of the Tatar minority living on the Crimean Peninsula.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/view...snowstorm.html

[j1979]

I'm close to giving up here. We are only seeing one side.

Let's say, you lived in the country and where pro Putin. You'd seen the president you voted for displaced after violent protests. Now the regulating strong power arrive, which are one you are in favour of. It's good.

Just for the record, I'm not pro-putin.

So... From the internets.

Points out the hypocrisy.

It's a quagmire. Some people want Putin. Others do not. It won't end well. But you can't simply blame this on Russia. Some people want to be Russian. If you ignore their views, well you are no better than those you disagree with.

Ok, so did you watch the video on Russian TV? They are spreading lies, arresting there own citizens that protest in Moscow, the people in Crimea don't know the truth of what is happening in Crimea. The TV stations in crimea are not showing Ukrainian channels. They are showing state sponsored Russian TV showing that there are riots in Crimea that did not happen.

there are ethnic Russians in:

Finland
Estonia
Latvia
Belarus
Georgia
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Uzbekistan
Moldova

Does that give Russia the right to invade?

[TheAnimus]

Does that give Russia the right to invade?

I give up completely. I'm mean I've mentioned say Holodomor, I am aware why many hate Putin. But you appear to be completely wilful of ignoring, some like the guy. That to some, the protests where the terrorist criminals, you make it sound as if the protests weren't violent at all....

It makes it very complex. Russia are not doing anything the rest of the world hasn't done in many other nations. Some want them, others do not. This is no different to many other nations. Democracy is overrated, as if it stops people with strong opinions who feel unfairly mistreated taking direct action.