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Have you ever asked yourself how this ‘intimidation from within’ was able to portray an ‘us and them’ mentality in the first place? Presumably, if these people were being touted as potential management material, they would have had something upstairs that would have told them whether there was a genuine issue with management’s behavior towards the staff that was leading to an us or them attitude, or whether it was simply bluster from others who were furthering their own agenda.
I would suggest that, if they were simply intimidated not to take a job by spurious accusations of an ‘us and them’ environment, they probably were not management material in the first place. By the way, I’m unsure as to what sort of environment you were working in when this happened, but from my own experience, I was actively encouraged & supported by my Union colleagues to further my career and join management during my time in the NHS. It makes sense that, even from the point of furthering their own agenda, Unions (and by extension the left) would want sympathetic people within management.
There are 7 social classes it seems now, I still can't be bothered with "class identity" though:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22007058
And RIP Bob, though I do or did disagree rather with him on Tube modernisation which in my view is needed to make life easier for commuters etc.
Last edited by The Hand; 12-03-2014 at 11:17 PM. Reason: typo
Whilst I would argue that it is certainly not arbitrary, of course it's your right to reject any label you wish, as is mine, but it doesn’t change whether that label is applicable or not. I could, for example reject the label of, say, ‘white’, but that doesn’t stop me from actually being white.
Only if they blamed bob crow personally for the strikes for some bizarre reason, after all industrial action is taken as a last resort following a democratic ballot of thousands of workers and not just on the whim of the gen sec of one of the unions.
Although if they insist on blaming someone personally, that person can only be boris johnson whose dereliction of duty and broken campaign promises made strike action more unavoidable than anything any trades unionist ever said or did.
Originally Posted by Bertrand Russell
What kind of person wallows in the death of someone, even if he was grade A liar, who held other people to randsom in a most reprehensible way.
The only way people who dislike someone like him can really feel any kind of victory is with a reversal of mind set from the said man. In that respect all those (including me) who despised his bullying tactics should feel no pride, my ideology isn't at all vindicated by his death. If anything, my views on how unions extract money from those who are the most vulnerable to support a lucky nepotist few was excellently demonstrated by his being alive.
It's not as if tomorrow the tube lines will all switch on to driverless 24 hour service for 50p a day.
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the man who called a strike from a yacht in the Bahamas....
Some could argue that white is an equally ‘nebulous undefined arbitrary concept’. For example my Dad was from the Mediterranean and was quite sallow. Some would have called him ‘white’, others would (and did) say that he wasn’t white. Is there some definitive classification that would indeed tell me whether he was white or not?
And, equally, in what way is the term working class any more of a nebulous undefined arbitrary concept? Whilst defining who the working classes are may be complex, and is a more fluid term than it previously was, with perhaps Proletariat (Marx usage, not the Roman’s) a more appropriate term, your description as something that is a ‘nebulous undefined arbitrary concept’ is certainly not something I recognise. In fact I would argue the opposite; it’s usually pretty easy to definitively determine.
At the end of the day, anyone is entitled to reject any label, or pretend a specific label doesn’t apply to them when it does, but that pretending or rejection doesn’t make it so, per se. I know lots of working class people who choose to not self-identify as that; that’s their right and, whilst I don’t understand it, I would never criticise them for it. But it doesn’t in any way change the fact that they are working class.
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