Guadian tired of Kremlin trolls.

[j1979]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...uardian-online

Paid Kremlin trolls!? really, who'd have thunk it!

I presume I am free to post this

[TeePee]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...uardian-online

Paid Kremlin trolls!? really, who'd have thunk it!

I presume I am free to post this

That depends, are you posting it for free or are you being paid to troll for the pro-EU side?

[satrow]

Life's too short to even contemplate what the Kremlin might be orchestrating, sorry.

I'd say "Guilty as charged" - without even reading/listening to the preamble.

[j1979]

That depends, are you posting it for free or are you being paid to troll for the pro-EU side?

If you tell me where to sign up I would love to get a pay packet

Unfortunate Ukraine is a bit skint at the moment.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The Guardian ran this story a few years ago about a covert US programme:

http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ocial-networks

Looks like they are all at it now!!

Maybe,they need some better verification system,to stop governments infiltrating comments sections.

[walibe]

The Guardian ran this story a few years ago about a covert US programme:

http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ocial-networks

Looks like they are all at it now!!

Maybe,they need some better verification system,to stop governments infiltrating comments sections.

But this is nothing new. For example its very evident in many areas of Eastern Ukraine its very evident pro Russians have been shipped in to stir things up and give the impressions these want to separate and to organise these people. Its also evident the Russian military are in many of these regions dressed up as 'militants'.

This is simply an on-line version. Its thought much of the unrest in Syria, Libya and Egypt etc could have been started with western influence though on-line media. Now that shows just how powerful the internet is.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

But this is nothing new. For example its very evident in many areas of Eastern Ukraine its very evident pro Russians have been shipped in to stir things up and give the impressions these want to separate and to organise these people. Its also evident the Russian military are in many of these regions dressed up as 'militants'.

This is simply an on-line version. Its thought much of the unrest in Syria, Libya and Egypt etc could have been started with western influence though on-line media. Now that shows just how powerful the internet is.

Well I have been following some of the stuff in Syria,and some of the big threads on militaryphotos.net are really a battleground for pro-rebel and pro-Assad factions. But as you say I should realise it is indeed nothing new - in South East Asia,some of the virtrol between Indians and Pakistanis and the various factions in the different countries can get quite bad especially in times of conflict.

[abaxas]

This has nothing to do with trolling. They are hacked off that someone is undermining their influence by democratizing the comments.

[j1979]

This has nothing to do with trolling. They are hacked off that someone is undermining their influence by democratizing the comments.

I can't speak for the guardian section. but on twitter the trolling is horrendous and needs moderating. Reported tweets are taking ages for a response, they must be getting many.

There are many death threats and other threats of violence happening very frequently on twitter, my wife has had about 1 a week of real genuine death threats aimed at her personally, because she's from Sevastopol, she is almost expected to take the Russian side. It's not just her though, many people on twitter get death threats for simply adding a photo that may show a pro-Russian in a bad light.

freedom of speech is fine, but when direct threats are made then it's best to act on them, even if it just means banning or warning the account holder. Some of the threats are simply pro-Russians shouting "can't wait until Russian invades and then you'll be sorry" type of thing. It's relentless.

It would be good if the Guardian kept a list of IP to get the general origin of these statements, an IP can be masked easily but still be nice to see some sort of geographic location.

The Guardian ran this story a few years ago about a covert US programme:

http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...ocial-networks

Looks like they are all at it now!!

Maybe,they need some better verification system,to stop governments infiltrating comments sections.

Yes the Kremlin take it to a different level though. Paid votes, trolls, thugs, protestors, flag wavers, tv interviewers and paid mercenaries in Ukraine.

The woman below, was on Ukrainian TV crying as a resident of Odessa then Kharkiv. She was also spotted in Sevastopol, then in the video she was spotted at the Ukrainian embassy in Moscow hanging around for the TV cameras. But she gets more than she can chew when the interviewer is Ukrainian, and has seen her on TV claiming to be many different people. In the video, were she is forced to answer why she has claimed to be a residence of both cities, and that she is Ukrainian but others suggest she lives in Moscow.



She first appears at 4:49 By 9:36 he partner appears and makes his presence known.. by 13:50 in the video the mostly Ukrainian crowd are ripping her to shreds after she can't answer simple questions that even a 10 year old Ukrainian would know. By the end of the video the interview team are reported to the police for interviewing. I presume he is not arrested as too many people there as witnesses that he didn't force her to speak.



Just one example of many in the Kremlin's propaganda war.

[abaxas]

Welcome to politics. Everyone is at it.

[j1979]

Welcome to politics. Everyone is at it.

Are they?

I have never been offered money to vote, voice opinions, fight or protest.

Can you really say "Everyone is at it", when, if a major political party in the UK offered cash to members of the public for any of the above services, it would be front page on all the papers. England spent all that money on the 2018 world cup bid campaign, but they should have just spent the money the way the Russians did.

[g8ina]

Please dont let this thread go the same way as the other one guys !!

I really dont want to have to lock any more threads about the Ukraine etc...

[TheAnimus]

Ergh, this is exactly what I don't like about people.

It's got the Guardian in it, bad enough, but their comment is free section. Urgh.

Completely un-founded claims, about views they disagree with, combined with ultimate smugness, no one thinks that other way, anyone who does is, paid, evil, etc

[j1979]

Ergh, this is exactly what I don't like about people.

It's got the Guardian in it, bad enough, but their comment is free section. Urgh.

Completely un-founded claims, about views they disagree with, combined with ultimate smugness, no one thinks that other way, anyone who does is, paid, evil, etc

Ok take a different source if you don't like the guardian, I can provide plenty more.

http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?acti...story_id=38052

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...a-army/280432/

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/w...cle3891720.ece

http://nomadicpolitics.blogspot.co.u...roll-nest.html

[Zak33]

/road sign keeping thread on course....

[TheAnimus]

Ok take a different source if you don't like the guardian, I can provide plenty more.

None of these sources back up the explicit claims the article makes. You've completely missed the point of what I find so moronic about that article.

I'm not disputing that people pay people to comment and review stuff on the internet.

I'm suggesting that it's moronic to the highest order, in no way conducive to any kind of peaceful co-existence, to disregard anything you disagree with as some kind of paid shill.