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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    I'm pretty angry about this vacuum cleaner thing you know?
    Dyson are too. They're fighting it, even though this doesn't impact their current lineup.

    Given how many people I know that still use crappy bulbs that could be swapped out for LED (or whatever) easily....and are in use all night, every night, in shed loads of homes.
    They're just targeting the wrong thing IMO.
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    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    Let's compare this farce to a few things

    A) cheap electrical items - anyone who has ever bought cheap pc speakers and put a mains current meter between them and the wall plug will find that in many cases you'd be better buying expensive speaker because the power drain on really cheap power bricks for really cheap speakers is silly and better quality units often use lots less especially when " off"

    Same rules for those " touch lamps" with metal bases that have no switch but you touch them instead. Sair bought some home for our bedroom. Being romantic I tested the power draw and they used as much power on as off. One used MORE off than on and I'll never... To this day....know why. But they went back. We found some that use a tiny amountwhen off and I allowed them in my house. But they are silly none the less

    B) My parents have a large array of solar PV panels on their house. The electricity company refused to fit a 2 way meter to allow the spare current back into the grid....so it runs into the soil and to earth. Dad still gets paid for it

    C) I have two electric drills. One is huge and electricity heavy and one light and is much use as a chocolate fireguard. The light one takes an hour to drill into anything less hard than my hand....the other one uses 6 times the current and drills into anything in 3 seconds

    I'm pretty angry about this vacuum cleaner thing you know?
    LOL. I get angry about a few things but, vacuum cleaners and the EU isn't one of them.

    I'm sure there will still be a few black market vacuum cleaner dealers willing to risk it all, to provide you with more suction after September 1st has passed. You can still get bent cucumbers in Aldi and Lidl if you know the right people.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    It's not so much this isolated incident though is it, it's bans and restrictions on random everyday things for apparently no good reason. To what end?

    Anyone would think they don't have any more pressing issues to occupy their time...

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Well I'll just get a less powerfull unit and overclock it.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyboardDemon View Post
    Well I'll just get a less powerfull unit and overclock it.
    Perhaps there can be a HEXUS-type site with instructions, and you could call it... HESUX.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by Output View Post
    Perhaps there can be a HEXUS-type site with instructions, and you could call it... HESUX.
    lol. We bought an Eastern European model not long ago, we had to take it back to the store though because it took hours to clean a single room, but that's what you get from a Slovak.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    I think it's about time I dig out my FX5800.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    tbh, the new Henry is only 1200w peak, and runs at 600w normally. There a switch to put it in to 1200w "turbo" mode - and we've never used it, because if you do you can't move the wand head across the carpet! There's a lot more to a good vacuum than just the big number they use to sell it.

    If numatic can make an efficient vacuum cleaner @ only 600w, and 900w limit is not going to stop vacuums being efficient or effective - it's just going to weed out the really badly built ones (and perhaps knock uprights on the head, which are the ones I tend to see with massive power ratings....).

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Don't forget uprights generally also have to power brushes, not just suction. TBH the henry is OK for hard floors but it's a heck of a workout trying to clean the thick carpet on the stairs/landing; provided the brushes are retracted it's movable, but it takes a good few scrubs to remove even light dust, it's not really practical for older people for instance.

    With our old upright, you'd only have to push it over the floor, fairly effortlessly, and it would generally clean fairly well in one pass. If we had more than the one thick carpet, a Henry wouldn't really be practical.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    I've tried using a Henry for the home and I found it horrid, for the reasons watercooled has stated. I used to use one a very long time ago on a shop floor (large flat laminate surface), which was okay....but for carpets...just couldn't get on with it. I'd go as far as to say it just didn't work well.

    I'm not sure if that's because other vacuums have overtaken them, or I'm just being a fussy git, but even my old 30 quid VAX with a power brush on the front annihilated it with even the most basic bits of cleaning *shrug*
    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    We have an ancient Vax industrial hoover that was being thrown out by a company near where I used to work. (Failed PAT - power cable split - fitted now one, lovely) Brilliant bit of kit. Go over floor, dirt lifted first pass. Hoovering done in a few minutes.

    Basic maths of shorter time at more power vs longer time at less power still equals same amount of overall power used. Suspect end result will be wasted power in a massive own-goal a bit like all these supposedly green diesel cars polluting our cities.

    Presumably a lot of these machines will use a standard industrial motor from China so retrofitting something non-sucky shouldn't be impossible, merely a faff.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    The energy ratings on appliances has worked very well with a lot of newer washing machines and fridges now A, A+ or A++ while when the ratings started there were almost none that good.

    This is the rating they should have gone for vacuums. Suction-per-watt would have been a much better idea than stating a arbitrary maximum. Plus a second rating for noise. Although I heard that manufacturers had market research suggesting that people automatically assume that a noisier vacuum cleaner is more powerful and hence are reluctant to make a quiet cleaners - a noise rating should change that.

    Because if the only way to increase the rating is to have more efficient motors and suction this is something worth aiming for. Most like by better blades or something since electric motors are near 100% efficient unlike ICEs so a petrol powered vacuum would probably be lucky to hit 20% efficiency (and be unsafe indoors, of course).

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    They are going to be including a suction measure as well, which is what Dyson are currently fighting as they want some kind of measure of suction with a partially full bag too (which I doubt they'll get - it's simple enough to argue that you'd put a fresh bag in if and when you need more suction! - not that I've used a disposable bag hoover for years).

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    "But certain UK newspapers like little more than stories which allow them to attack the EU and the “green lobby” while also providing good punning opportunities for headlines."

    This is certainly true. EU and green is like waving two red flag at the newspaper bulls.
    I guess people feel even more disenfranchised since the recession, and these newspapers would rather people vent their anger at Brussels than London where the UK government and press is based.

    Of course, it is good to have democratic accountability and have decision made as locally as possible. But the UK is one of the most centralised EU countries with a joke of a FPTP election system which dis-enfranchises a large percentage of voters. Guess there is another reason for all the anti-EU rhetoric then.

    As for the 'anti-green lobby', there are at least two factors at play. One, the 'luxury' of our present consumption levels means that any cuts to consumption have to mean having to live with less material things. And two, there is a lot of money in how the system runs at present and hence lots of money for lobbying:
    ""Under a global climate deal consistent with a two degrees centigrade world, we estimate that the fossil fuel industry would stand to lose $28 trillion of gross revenues over the next two decades, compared with business as usual," said Mr Lewis. The oil industry alone would face stranded assets of $19 trillion, concentrated on deepwater fields, tar sands and shale."
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...his-cycle.html

    If even the Telegraph can report something like that, the fossil fuel industry must be really worried. Mind you, Ambrose got a lot of comments on that article and predictably they were mostly in denial.

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    Re: 1600 W maximum on vacuum cleaners from from Sept!

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    The energy ratings on appliances has worked very well with a lot of newer washing machines and fridges now A, A+ or A++ while when the ratings started there were almost none that good.

    True, but there is a special kind of stupid that comes with them too. We have a small mini-freezer than is approx 15 years sold. Approx 80L capacity and pre rating fugures. Had several smug people pontificate how we're wrecking the environment, and we should get an A+ rated humungous bloated 'efficient' one like they have. The fact the power draw on their megafreezers is still 3 times what ours is never crosses their brainwashed minds.

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