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    What we still don't know

    Has anyone seen these programs? I saw the 1st one, but somehow only got to see the last 10 mins of the others.

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    Could someone please explain what was discussed in them - expecially the last one. That was the one that asked "are we real?".
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    What were the reason that people thought we were part of a "matrix"? I'm quite interested in this idea, but would have thought like God - it's not provable. I'm also pretty sure that like all of these "type" of programs, they came with no conclusion at the end.

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    i cant really be bothered to go to far into what i think

    but i think that we are all just living here for absolutly no reason, we where never meant to know what that reason was, all we can do is just probe space and time searching for nothing

    however i am philosophical, im not one of those willies that just say that all this talk is barmy
    i love listening to other peoples views, and mainly argueing ina friendly way against it even if i know that is probably the answer, or something

    i think its alot harder to explain philosophical arguements in forums, so i wont post much in threads like these, but i will hover over them and read through them, i enjoy that sorta thing

    oh dear i think i have strayed of the point.......
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    The “are we real” one was very good.
    It basically touched on what we consider to be “real”, and somewhat challenged these.

    Scientists believe that the variables used in the universes creation, could generally be one percent (or less) different to what they currently are, and things would still have evolved down a similar path. Which worked fine until they found one variable that this didn’t work for: A variable that was required to be roughly one trillion to the power of 10 accurate. Way to high to be considered chance. It almost looks like it had been designed, but of course for it to be designed requires a designer.

    They carried on down the scientific route though and come to the result that we are looking at the universe wrong, in that there is more than one.
    The example they used was “If you walk into a suit shop that has full stock and find the one your looking for, your not surprised. If you walk into the shop though, they have one suit, and it’s the one for you, you are surprised.” They also touched on other things like alternative dimensions, to try and quash the “We often wonder how the universe evolved, it’s too much like a design” and change it into a “we are living in one of trillions that may exist, and therefore the possibility of this universes makeup isn’t that surprising anymore”

    Computer simulation was next and talking about how we could perhaps simulate the above, if we had some kind of “omfguberfastlolol” computer. It then brought up that intelligence in other universes, or even dimensions may be incredibly more intelligent than we are. If this is the case, why is it not feasible that they have built such a computer and we are the result of a simulation? The “super intelligent” people would no longer be in another dimension or universe, but controlling ours. It also lends a hand to how the variable that was required to be practically perfect (I can’t remember its name), is.

    I think it made more questions than answers though
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    Yeah - things like this generally do make more questions than answers. I'm definatly interested on "matrix" side of things (not that i think it's true). After watching the matrix films, I went onto the matrix website and found that there's LOAD ont eh philosophy there, but I found it just too complicated to read (but what I understood was interesting).

    Like Chunkey, i think we're here for no reason, but it's just one of those unprovable things.

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    When and what channel was this on?
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    Sorted?

    I'm of the opinion that it dosn't bother me unduly, but I can discuss it if I like, but that tends to lead to me pointing out how utterly insignificant we all are.
    To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.

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    The matrix, the first one, gave an example of how things could be so different, but again, it wouldnt really matter atall to anyone...
    No. 2, and 3, just messed it up imo...

    Its all interesting, but Im quite sure that I will die, before any use comes from thinking about this.. so whats the point.. oh well - Im going to bed.

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    Just read about the series on the C4 website, very interesting indeed.

    http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...now/index.html

    Anyone know if I can download this from anywhere? Or get a dvd?
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    The problem with multiverses is that we have no real evidence for it, it's just believe that or believe in a creator really. It's that if this was the only universe, there must be a creator, so, rather than assume that there is one, it seems obvious to some to assume there is a multiverse. Because of the nature of multiverse theory, they would never interact, and thus we never could have any proof of other universes as we will never experience anything of them.

    As a Christian I see design in almost everything I see in nature, but, personally I don't see this as evidence specifically for God in that in order for us to assume design, we assume that the end product was the 'aim', ie if things were different, then we would be different, as we would have assumed we would have been designed differently. I just see design in the way the universe was created, which led to the formation of galaxies, suns and planets in exactly the right way to give life, and exactly the right way to influence us to evolve into what and who we are now.

    As I say though, I say this because I think that what we are is part of the end-product, though doubtless some more evolution will take place.

    However, even within the multiverse theory, you need some sort of 'construction machinery' (for lack of a better phrase) that would make universes with the same sort of setup that we have now. Which, to my mind, requires a designer, though I will understand those who don't. I think it is one of the weakest Christian arguments, the design in nature, and especially beauty in nature, as it is so subjective. However, if one does believe in God then it does make Him somewhat more awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by iMc
    Just read about the series on the C4 website, very interesting indeed.

    http://www.channel4.com/science/micr...now/index.html

    Anyone know if I can download this from anywhere? Or get a dvd?
    I know that some documentries are put to DVD. I can't remember his name, but the guy from jurassic park did a similar type of program about time (i think), and I know that's on DVD.

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    Multiverse or god? what if god made the multiverse? surely thats possible?



    But then who made god? A question that cant be answered... (and I dont believe in god anyway)..

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    Well, the point is that God can be eternal, but a universe can't otherwise everything that would have already happened, would have happened. We would have reached a heat death by now.

    Of course, God could have created multiverses, but we have no evidence to suggest that He did. In fact, if we consider that the main argument for multiverses is that the universe is so unlikely by chance, then the 'God hypothesis' negates the need for multiverse theory somewhat.

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