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    My daughter is traveling overseas for the first time to London the first part of 2005 and I wish to ask for any advise on what to look out for and what not to do to upset people.

    Being from the states this may already be a strike against her in some peoples eyes and I just want to make sure she has an enjoyable trip. She'll be traveling with a couple of college friends, one who did some internship in the London area awhile back. All in early to mid 20's, all out of college and paying their own way.

    So my apology for using this Ladies only forum for this but I thought best to ask here rather than the general discussion area. Thank you in advance for your assistance.

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    We're generally a bit more chilled out here, nothing really can annoy us that much!

    There shouldn't be any problem in them being from the states, as long as they're not shouting out "we're better than you" !
    The only thing i can think of is customer service, it's not really that important over here, so watch out for rude waiters, and people who generally can't be bothered to do their job. (you will find in the minority some people who do love their job and show it, but very rarely)

    As with every new place, be careful with your belongings, keep them safe at all times.

    Although london is such an unfriendly place, no one makes eye contact etc etc (i hate the place to be honest!)

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    Being an American isn't a problem, we like the people its just the government we cant stand. Then again the majority of us hate our own politicians let alone anybody else's.

    If they are staying in London / South East its very easy to do trips to other places, Paris can be got to in under 3 hours by train, Brussels about the same time. Edinburgh takes 5 hours by train, but flying within UK / Europe is getting cheaper. Lots of people concentrate on London but there are lots of really nice towns and cities nearby.
    Some general points, some really obvious
    UK has its own currency, most of the rest of Europe shares a single currency.
    Scotland and Wales are separate countries. Don't call the Scots English, they cant get really pissed off about it.
    We have a flexible attitude to speed limits (although the Police don't), so if driving on motorways the majority of traffic will be doing significantly over 70mph. Well until they spot a Police car
    We drink a lot, and most of the pubs / bars will kick out at the same time. So streets can be full of very drunk people at closing time, mostly heading for the kebab shop or night club.
    Travelling in and around London is best avoided when the commuters are on the move. Tourists tend to start moving after 9:30 when the cheap train tickets are available.

    Due to the current exchange rate things will cost a lot here compared to America. At a guess roughly double. But to save money the net is your friend, thers loads of info on cheap travel, accomadation etc.

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    Just read other post and generally agree. In London once you get out of the busy areas things are much more chilled. It is odd in London you can turn down a side street and suddenly its all a lot more relaxed, pavement cafes, bars etc.

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    Just lose the american accent and you will be fine

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    Here's some excellent advice for American tourists:

    Successfully Understanding The British
    A Guide For American Visitors


    Vocabulary - The Brits have peculiar words for many things. Money is referred to as "goolies," so you should say, for instance, "I'd love to come to the pub but I haven't got any goolies." "Quid" is the modern word for what was once called a "shilling" -- the equivalent of seventeen cents American. Underpants are called "wellies" and friends are called "shags." If you are fond of someone, you should tell him he is a "great shag" -- he will be touched. The English are a notoriously demonstrative people, and if you want to fit in, you should hold hands with your acquaintances and shags when you walk down the street. Public nuzzling and licking are also encouraged.

    Habits - Ever since their Tory government wholeheartedly embraced full union with Europe, the Brits have been attempting to adopt certain continental customs, such as the large midday meal followed by a two- or three-hour siesta, which they call a "rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish". As this is still a fairly new practice in Britain, it is not uncommon for people to oversleep (alarm clocks do not work there, due to the magnetic pull from Greenwich). If you are late for supper, simply apologize and explain that you were having a rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish - everyone will understand.

    Universities - University archives and manuscript collections are still governed by quaint medieval rules retained out of respect for tradition; hence, patrons are expected to bring to the reading rooms their own ink-pots and a small knife for sharpening their pens. Observing these customs will signal the librarians that you are "in the know," for the rules are, of course, unwritten. Likewise, it is customary to kiss the librarian on both cheeks when he brings a manuscript you've requested, a practice dating back to the reign of Henry VI.

    One of the most delighful ways to spend an afternoon in Oxford or Cambridge is gliding gently down the river in one of their flat-bottomed boats, which you propel using a long pole. This is known as "cottaging." Many of the boats (called "yer-i nals") are privately owned by the colleges, but there are some places that rent them to the public by the hour. Just tell a professor or policeman that you are interested in doing some cottaging and would like to know where the public yerinals are. The poles must be treated with vegetable oil to protect them from the water, so it's a good idea to buy a can of Crisco and have it on you when you ask directions to the yerinals. That way, people will know you are an experienced cottager.

    Food - British cuisine enjoys a well-deserved reputation as the most sublime gastronomic pleasure available to man. Thanks to today's robust dollar, the American traveler can easily afford to dine out several times a week (rest assured that a British meal is worth interrupting your afternoon rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish for). Few foreigners are aware that there are several grades of meat in the UK. The best cuts of meat, like the best bottles of gin, bear Her Majesty's seal, called the British Stamp of Excellence (BSE). When you go to a fine restaurant, tell your waiter you want BSE beef and won't settle for anything less. Once the waiter realizes you are a person of discriminating taste, he may offer to let you peruse the restaurant's list of exquisite British wines. If he doesn't, you should order one anyway. The best wine grapes grow on the steep, chalky hillsides of Yorkshire and East Anglia -- try an Ely '84 or Ripon '88 for a rare treat indeed.

    Transportation - Public taxis are subsidized by Her Majesty's Government. A taxi ride in London costs two pounds, no matter how far you travel. If a taxi driver tries to overcharge you, you should yell "I think not, you charlatan!", then grab the nearest bobby and have the driver arrested. It is rarely necessary to take a taxi, though, since bus drivers are required to make detours at patrons' requests. Just board any bus, pay your thruppence (the heavy, gold-colored coins are pence), and state your destination clearly to the driver, e.g.: "Kindly take me to the British Library." A driver will frequently try to have a bit of harmless fun by pretending he doesn't go to your requested destination. Ignore him, as he is only teasing the American tourist (little does he know you're not so ignorant!).

    Speaking of the British Library, you should know that it has recently moved to a new location at Kew. Kew is a small fishing village in Wales. It can be reached by taking the train to Cardiff; once there, ask any local about the complimentary shuttle bus to Kew. (Don't forget that buses are called "prams" in England, and trains are called "bumbershoots"--it's a little confusing at first. Motorcycles are called "lorries" and the hospital, for reasons unknown, is called the "off-license." It's also very important to know that a "doctor" means a PhD in England, not a physician. If you want a physician, you must ask for an "MP" (which stands for "master physician").

    For those traveling on a shoestring budget, the London Tube may be the most economical way to get about, especially if you are a woman. Chivalry is alive and well in Britain, and ladies still travel for free on the Tube. Simply take some tokens from the baskets at the base of the escalators or on the platforms; you will find one near any of the state-sponsored Tube musicians. Once on the platform, though, beware! Approaching trains sometimes disturb the large Gappe bats that roost in the tunnels. The Gappes were smuggled into London in the early 19th century by French saboteurs and have proved impossible to exterminate. The announcement "Mind the Gappe!" is a signal that you should grab your hair and look towards the ceiling. Very few people have ever been killed by Gappes, though, and they are considered only a minor drawback to an otherwise excellent means of transportation. (If you have difficulty locating the Tube station, merely follow the signs that say "Subway" and ask one of the full-time attendants where you can catch the bumbershoot.)

    One final note: for preferential treatment when you arrive at Heathrow airport, announce that you are a member of Shin Fane (an international Jewish peace organization -- the "shin" stands for "shalom"). As savvy travellers know, this little white lie will assure you priority treatment as you make your way through customs; otherwise you could waste all day in line. You might, in fact, want to ask a customs agent to put a Shin Fane stamp in your passport, as it will expedite things on your return trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rave
    Here's some excellent advice for American tourists:

    Successfully Understanding The British
    A Guide For American Visitors


    Vocabulary - The Brits have peculiar words for many things. Money is referred to as "goolies," so you should say, for instance, "I'd love to come to the pub but I haven't got any goolies." "Quid" is the modern word for what was once called a "shilling" -- the equivalent of seventeen cents American. Underpants are called "wellies" and friends are called "shags." If you are fond of someone, you should tell him he is a "great shag" -- he will be touched. The English are a notoriously demonstrative people, and if you want to fit in, you should hold hands with your acquaintances and shags when you walk down the street. Public nuzzling and licking are also encouraged.

    Habits - Ever since their Tory government wholeheartedly embraced full union with Europe, the Brits have been attempting to adopt certain continental customs, such as the large midday meal followed by a two- or three-hour siesta, which they call a "rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish". As this is still a fairly new practice in Britain, it is not uncommon for people to oversleep (alarm clocks do not work there, due to the magnetic pull from Greenwich). If you are late for supper, simply apologize and explain that you were having a rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish - everyone will understand.

    Universities - University archives and manuscript collections are still governed by quaint medieval rules retained out of respect for tradition; hence, patrons are expected to bring to the reading rooms their own ink-pots and a small knife for sharpening their pens. Observing these customs will signal the librarians that you are "in the know," for the rules are, of course, unwritten. Likewise, it is customary to kiss the librarian on both cheeks when he brings a manuscript you've requested, a practice dating back to the reign of Henry VI.

    One of the most delighful ways to spend an afternoon in Oxford or Cambridge is gliding gently down the river in one of their flat-bottomed boats, which you propel using a long pole. This is known as "cottaging." Many of the boats (called "yer-i nals") are privately owned by the colleges, but there are some places that rent them to the public by the hour. Just tell a professor or policeman that you are interested in doing some cottaging and would like to know where the public yerinals are. The poles must be treated with vegetable oil to protect them from the water, so it's a good idea to buy a can of Crisco and have it on you when you ask directions to the yerinals. That way, people will know you are an experienced cottager.

    Food - British cuisine enjoys a well-deserved reputation as the most sublime gastronomic pleasure available to man. Thanks to today's robust dollar, the American traveler can easily afford to dine out several times a week (rest assured that a British meal is worth interrupting your afternoon rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish for). Few foreigners are aware that there are several grades of meat in the UK. The best cuts of meat, like the best bottles of gin, bear Her Majesty's seal, called the British Stamp of Excellence (BSE). When you go to a fine restaurant, tell your waiter you want BSE beef and won't settle for anything less. Once the waiter realizes you are a person of discriminating taste, he may offer to let you peruse the restaurant's list of exquisite British wines. If he doesn't, you should order one anyway. The best wine grapes grow on the steep, chalky hillsides of Yorkshire and East Anglia -- try an Ely '84 or Ripon '88 for a rare treat indeed.

    Transportation - Public taxis are subsidized by Her Majesty's Government. A taxi ride in London costs two pounds, no matter how far you travel. If a taxi driver tries to overcharge you, you should yell "I think not, you charlatan!", then grab the nearest bobby and have the driver arrested. It is rarely necessary to take a taxi, though, since bus drivers are required to make detours at patrons' requests. Just board any bus, pay your thruppence (the heavy, gold-colored coins are pence), and state your destination clearly to the driver, e.g.: "Kindly take me to the British Library." A driver will frequently try to have a bit of harmless fun by pretending he doesn't go to your requested destination. Ignore him, as he is only teasing the American tourist (little does he know you're not so ignorant!).

    Speaking of the British Library, you should know that it has recently moved to a new location at Kew. Kew is a small fishing village in Wales. It can be reached by taking the train to Cardiff; once there, ask any local about the complimentary shuttle bus to Kew. (Don't forget that buses are called "prams" in England, and trains are called "bumbershoots"--it's a little confusing at first. Motorcycles are called "lorries" and the hospital, for reasons unknown, is called the "off-license." It's also very important to know that a "doctor" means a PhD in England, not a physician. If you want a physician, you must ask for an "MP" (which stands for "master physician").

    For those traveling on a shoestring budget, the London Tube may be the most economical way to get about, especially if you are a woman. Chivalry is alive and well in Britain, and ladies still travel for free on the Tube. Simply take some tokens from the baskets at the base of the escalators or on the platforms; you will find one near any of the state-sponsored Tube musicians. Once on the platform, though, beware! Approaching trains sometimes disturb the large Gappe bats that roost in the tunnels. The Gappes were smuggled into London in the early 19th century by French saboteurs and have proved impossible to exterminate. The announcement "Mind the Gappe!" is a signal that you should grab your hair and look towards the ceiling. Very few people have ever been killed by Gappes, though, and they are considered only a minor drawback to an otherwise excellent means of transportation. (If you have difficulty locating the Tube station, merely follow the signs that say "Subway" and ask one of the full-time attendants where you can catch the bumbershoot.)

    One final note: for preferential treatment when you arrive at Heathrow airport, announce that you are a member of Shin Fane (an international Jewish peace organization -- the "shin" stands for "shalom"). As savvy travellers know, this little white lie will assure you priority treatment as you make your way through customs; otherwise you could waste all day in line. You might, in fact, want to ask a customs agent to put a Shin Fane stamp in your passport, as it will expedite things on your return trip.
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    Yeah, it's a classic, well worth a repost I thought.

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    Thank you all for your insight and humor. The Maple leaf play is something I did in the early ninties when I was on business in Israel and it was a tourist hot spot for extended stays if you were an American (kidnapping).

    As far as governments go I can only speak for myself in saying they all tend to please everyone while pleasing no one. I don't agree with the handling of the middle east, I do support the troops as it they are doing a job that right or wrong they are in for the long haul.

    Don't know about the accent change.......maybe one of the old Star Trek voice recorders are available in the hotel lobby to use.

    Thanks again.

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    Being a Londoner, I should really defend myself and the city. In my experience Londoners in general are as friendly as anyone else. I can't imagine that your daughter will enounter any prejudice purely because she's American; certainly nothing serious enough to spoil her holiday.

    As as already been said, American and British culture is similar enough that she's very unlikely to do anything that would cause offense. Sarcasm and irony are a central part of our national sense of humour (which is why we liked Seinfeld and Frasier so much I guess), so watch out for that. I would also caution that Americans might be taken aback by the indifference with which service staff (in shops, hotels etc.) treat customers. Don't take it personally, it's not because you're American and they don't like you, they do it to everyone.

    As for stuff to do in London: The London Eye is a must really, and we have some excellent museums; I can recommend the Victoria and Albert (V&A) in particular, and I'm also very fond of the nearby Science Museum (although I guess not everyone would find it so fascinating). Museum entry is now free in London, so visiting a few is a very cost effective way of spending the day.

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    I've just started a new job working in the City of London (the bit right in the middle). All the tourist bits are worth seeing, especially the Tower of London, The British Museum, and the Science Museum. It's worth spending some time wandering around the City, there's loads of old buildings to look at, like the area around The Royal Exchange. The thing which makes this part of London unique is the mix of very old buildings with brand new development. It sounds like something you'd see everywhere, but no where else in the world has this in such abundance. One example you really should see is St Mary's Church on Bishopsgate. It's accessed by walking throuhg a tunnel under 38 Bishopsgate, and is I think an 18th century building. Rising immediately behind it is the Gurkin (the phallic modern architecture/sculpture). If your daughter is over here in January, there is an Ice-skating rink currently operating inside Sommerset House which is worth a vist. At £16 for an hour it's not cheap, but the setting is unbelieveable. I'll post pics of some of these things as soon as I can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick
    In all seriousness , sew a maple leaf onto your bag and try and get away with being canadian. It will save you from a lot of prejustice.
    this - along with the other 'advice post' - is also true...
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    I went up to London on Saturday to visit a specialist shop oooerrr. I then went for a strole around Covent Garden, loads of stuff there to see and here. Lots of street entertainers, music, etc. Everybody was having a good time, sitting around eating and drinking, laughing. A merry time was being had by all.

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    As said before, the people in London/England doesn't hate peoples from the states, but to government. So as long as your daughter or one of her friends is carrying a big pic of the whitehouse or something similar they'll be fine. I was in London one year ago and actually I didn't meet anyone rude or something like that, the people there seems to be very used to confused travelers . I really liked it there! I hope you're daughter is gonna have a great time!

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    Accents : If you travel to different parts of the UK, you will probably have problem with accents at one point. The number of accents in the UK is huge, and ill put money on it that you wont understand some.
    If you come across this, just tell them straight, most people wont be offended by it and will just laugh . I have to speak VERY differently when talking to friends in Europe (Belgium, Germany and France mainly), because they can not understand me (I have a strong blackcounty accent (its an area in the UK where a lot of coal mines were located)).
    Also on speech : Somewhat depending on area, but just generally anyway, we speak a lot faster than you. Ask us to slow down if we are.

    I know the area I am in wouldnt give any hassle to Americans, probably the opposite, I know many would welcome them, as like already mentioned its the gov. most people have a problem with, not you. People who dont understand this though dont really represent the views of the rest of us.
    I may get flamed for saying this, but London isnt the most friendly place on earth.

    Birmingham is a nice place to go for a day trip. Pretty easy to get to, and the new bullring is very nice. Very multicultural too, and having worked there in the past for quite a while, i can say that there are quite a few Americans around there too.

    There is, however a very bad underclass in the UK that you may want to read about first here. Should these people come up to you and say "giz a fag", just politely tell them you dont smoke, even if you do. Trust me; it'll save you a lot of hassle.

    If you travel, you'll most likely need to buy Diesel or Petrol on the road, not "gas" (Some cars do run on compressed gas here, although a small amount, BP stations will sell you gas, and not the liquid form of fuel your probably after). I mention this due to talking to an American friend who encountered this

    If you need to use a computer, dont be offended when it tells you that you have spelt "color" wrong. The computer is correct Dont be surprised if the computer doesnt have a “US English” dictionary on it either, quite a few places remove it. The keyboard layout is also slightly different.

    Hope that helps.
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