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    Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    I've been following the story (mainly on Ars) and things just seem to be snowballing, after the initial 10GB (compressed) leak we now have another 20GB or so of data, and its not just user profiles, apparently its emails, db passwords, source code, basically their whole business is wide open.

    So, ignoring the moral side of the hack is this one of the biggest hacks jn recent memory?!

    Oh, and I had to laugh at one of the sites allegedly offering to confirm if your email is in the data, after submitting (a made up) address and finding it clear it offers you the chance to tweet/share on facebook the message "I'm clear!"

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Quite a few *@hexus.net emails on there.

    You dorty bastords.

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    It's going to be comedy gold because the press will allegedly save everyone from their own lack of morality while not actually really understanding what is going on.

    Corrupted zip file....numerous "experts" unable to access it's,contents

    Ashley mad charged people to remove their data for£15 and I wasn't totally erased (shock news there....delete doesn't delete...no WAAAAAAY)

    And let's face it...who the hell uses their normal email address and name on a site like that...? No one...that's who.

    Ashley Mad may crumble now. Morally or ethically ignored... It's a clever business model but was right up there in the list of targets...wasn't it?

    Maybe a,Web site to secretly upload details of how you poison your neighbours cat over 12 months

    Or maybe a website for traffic wardens and parking meter attendants to publish their tickets. AND secret photos of the car owners shock at first seeing it.

    Or maybe pictures of readers wives....no...ignore,that one.

    What I'm getting at is that....it was,destined to fail. It's a secret illicit affair. To use a website that advertises globally and makes millions from it...was never going to hold real names or last very long

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    Ashley mad charged people to remove their data for£15 and I wasn't totally erased
    Typo there or is someone in trouble?

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Nothing good could possibly come from this website, pre or post hack.

    However, consider this. A quick Google shows the site was launched in 2001. You, as a single person, sign up as you're in to "internet dating", but never meet anyone from the site. A few years later you meet someone offline, get married, have a kid and then things start to get a bit bad in your relationship. You're significant other searches for your email address in this leaked information and finds it. All hell breaks lose.

    Divorce Lawyers must be having a field day!

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Apparently they had a system where no confirmation email link was required. That seems crazy to me. If so there is no guarantee even if someone's email is on the list they were the ones who put it on there!

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Quote Originally Posted by abaxas View Post
    Quite a few *@hexus.net emails on there.

    You dorty ....
    Really? Really?


    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    Apparently they had a system where no confirmation email link was required. That seems crazy to me. If so there is no guarantee even if someone's email is on the list they were the ones who put it on there!

    This is correct, however addresses could be validated and I believe the leak contains a field showing if this is the case (I've not seen the data though)

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen View Post
    Nothing good could possibly come from this website, pre or post hack.

    However, consider this. A quick Google shows the site was launched in 2001. You, as a single person, sign up as you're in to "internet dating", but never meet anyone from the site. A few years later you meet someone offline, get married, have a kid and then things start to get a bit bad in your relationship. You're significant other searches for your email address in this leaked information and finds it. All hell breaks lose.

    Divorce Lawyers must be having a field day!
    I'd use my mates names so .... you'd all be snookered and I'd be safe unless you used mine

    hence.. its a mountain from a molehill.

    All utterly useless.
    besides there are THOUSANDS of people with my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagnaj97 View Post
    Typo there or is someone in trouble?
    live on the edge me.......

    but the edge of grip... and the edge of hunting ...... not the edge of my marriage that's quite secure

    But Ashely Mad could well have LOADS of people with my name on.... so it's all irrelevant

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    There is a huge moral issue here. If someone has done something wrong or stupid, it doesn't mean that we erase their rights and ourselves become able to absolve our actions of any immorality.

    It's sort of like the celeb nude leak, where they stupid putting nude photos in Apple's cloud service? Yes. Should they have been publically released no matter how lacking in security the service was? No, absolutely not.

    People like to try and cast a label of morality over these things, that anyone using the site must be some kind of filthy person without really just considering it is none of their business, I know a few people who have open marriages for many reasons. I've even watched someone spiral into ill mental health as his wife after the second child wouldn't let him touch her so to speak, refused to seek counselling or to acknowledge it as a problem.

    The other issue is who is dumb enough to sign up with their work account? Not many people, so how many people who 'did' actually went through with confirming the email? I'd imagine the internet scamps, the /b-types would have fun signing people up so they get spammed.

    There is such schadenfreude in this, it's frankly disgusting and I think some people should be more ashamed of themselves. Just because there is a chance the person was doing something 'bad' doesn't mean you can do something 'bad' too.....

    The company itself appears utterly reprehensible with how they operate too, someone on HN was saying they offered a package, £180 garanting to find you a partner in 6 months or your money back. Like a Guy Ritchie film, the money would be returned on a cheque, not to the card, with an obvious name attached.
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    Lock Stock .. literally... cheque made payable to '#'#ATFFC go see lock stock';'#;/'

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Seems to me there's two issues with this whole to-do.

    1) The "morality" of the site, whether Avid can survive this, whether it's immoral of the hackers to publish data not knowing what the consequences eill be, but certainly able to reasonably predict matrimonial 'troubles', to say the least, with a considerable potential for consequent impact on the children of those couples, right the way up to jail or even execution in some countries where homosexuality and/or marital infidelity carry those as sentences.

    Personally, I'm not sure I care enough to give that much thought. I think the site's ethos is somewhat repugnant, but apparently millions used it, and (here, at least) they're not promoting anything illegal, so it's really none of my business.

    2) The wider picture. If one site (and, it's actually far from the first) can be successfully hacked, what reassurance do we have that ANY other site is impervious? Therefore, ANY data we put on computer systems with external links, be they government databases or your local pizza shop, is potentially at risk.

    As users, we just cannot know how well-secured or well-defended any such systems are. We might assume government databases, or big corporates like Google, MS or banks, would have robust security but at least as far as government is concerned, past events doesn't inspire much confidence. And while I'd expect corporates to take better care, well ..... what actual basis do I have for that expectation, and is it realistic?

    Hence my "tinfoil hat" attitude - do not put any data, AT ALL, out there that you can avoid without considering whether you care if it becomes accessible to all, including family and (present and future) employers, and what the potential is for adverse consequences are if it gets out.

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen View Post
    Divorce Lawyers must be having a field day!
    One was interviewed on the BBC News site saying that even if the other partner couldnt prove actual adultery, they could try for "unreasonable behaviour" instead.

    Surely though, if the partner is filing for divorced based solely on email address or name/address information, it could backfire on them instead as they are now being unreasonable in assuming guilt without evidence.

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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_B View Post
    So, ignoring the moral side of the hack is this one of the biggest hacks jn recent memory?!
    Nah - we have a company called Target (fitting, in this instance) that's what you could call an up-scale WalMart - all of their product is still made in China, but it has better packaging and a higher price...

    Anyway, a couple of years ago, they got hacked, exposing the unencrypted data of at least 40 million people - names, addresses, debit and credit card numbers... unencrypted. There are a couple of similar cases in recent memory, and they are 'mainstream', 'normal' businesses.

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    Upscale Walmart... maybe just barely.
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    Re: Ashley Madison hack - things are going to get messy

    There is a certain amount of schadenfreude in seeing the hypocrisy of the child molester Josh Duggar exposed once again. It just goes to show the kind of person it takes to act in that way.

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