Almost There! Hexus EU Referendum Straw Poll #2

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looks like bad timing regarding the airplane banner:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7095796.html

[Peter Parker]

Not voting. I care about the result, and know it'll affect me, but I won't be part of this madness.

Upon leaving the tube station this evening, there were two idealistic numpties (one from each side) just SHOUTING at everyone, vying to be louder than the other.

If I had a choice of a 3rd option to imprison any politician who'd publicly campaigned for either side, I'd take it.

Whatever the outcome, it seems likely that some 40-50% of the population will be upset. They didn't need to be angry but the media hype says we're either becoming slaves to masters of Volantis, or invaded by the Dothraki. This stirred-up feeling won't just go away, so something bad will persist after the votes are counted. I don't expect to see any politician try to repair the damage and bring people back together. That'd be too useful.

The Cabinet office estimated that it cost £142.4m just to have the referendum at all, plus there's the opportunity cost of time wasted discussing it and planning for the unknown. Probably could've paid for some doctors. Or bombs. Take your pick. For anyone who doesn't get what they want tomorrow, I'm sorry you were let down. In or out, there's actually real work to be done so perhaps they'll get on with it?

[Biscuit]

Looks like bad timing regarding the airplane banner:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7095796.html

Wow... that is such poor form

[wazzickle]

Apologies if this is a repost

[TeePee]

After talking with a number of my mates, its come clear to me that a lot of people, who were perhaps neutral, are voting leave for little more than, 'I fancy a change'.

I find this attitude understandable, but misplaced and I guess this is exactly the emotion that many of the political campaigns have been playing on.

IMO, the change we need in the UK wont come from leaving the EU, but from a reform of our own political system.

That's a change that you can't have. Remember the 'Alternative vote' referendum, which should have been a vote for change, but was deliberately hamstrung by th ruling party? Both Leave and Remain are votes for change. The status quo is not an option.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Apologies if this is a repost

His follow up:

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...eo-goes-viral/

[Biscuit]

That's a change that you can't have. Remember the 'Alternative vote' referendum, which should have been a vote for change, but was deliberately hamstrung by th ruling party? Both Leave and Remain are votes for change. The status quo is not an option.

I don't really see what will change if we remain?

[Saracen]

Yet the leave campaign says we are free to make deals and how the EU countries are screwing us over.

Yet as shown enough timrs all those big nations outside the EU will have no problem screwing us even more than Europe. Banana wars??

This magical notion if we close ourselves out of Europe no other organisation or country will affect our laws or economy.

Funny that - I wonder how our debtors are influencing our economy and laws. OFC,leta all hide the fact that this economic crash was down to the sub-prime crisis in the US and a poorly regulated banking system.

But farage and co know that - he never worked in the financial industry using speculation to make money.
Oh wait.

So if we cannot influence France and Germany supposedly and they are countries we are close to culturally,etc what hope do we have with the rest??

They pretty much said they would prefer as part of the EU so you can see who they support.

So playing the victim card that Germany and France are screwing us over now so we must leave.

So the rest of these other trading partners will care even less and we still will be screwed over.

So what victim card is going to be spun now?

Yes,I can see the uk having more influence over Russia,The US,India,China,Japan and Brazil than we have over countries like Germany,etc.

Riiiiiiiight.

I really have no idea how that relates to what I said.

Which was, for simplicity, :-

- the countries mentioned have interests in what we do, and are advocating what suits their interests, not ours.

- those countries interests are mainly their economic benefit, or their geopolitical interests. Those are not what voters here care about, which depending on their position will be our economy, immigration, sovereignty, and so on.

- So, what they want us to do is irrelevant.


You further seem to be conflating the fact that I've decided to vote Leave with the Leave campaign(s). You must have missed the bit where I said a few oosts back that I don't give a flying fig for what celebrities, politicians, etc, on both sides have been saying, not least because I think both campaigns have been disgeacefully deceitful and manipulative. So quite what who you think is screwing who over, or claims is screwing who over, is nothing to do with what I said.

[TeePee]

I don't really see what will change if we remain?

Welcome to the United States of Europe.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Welcome to the United States of Europe.

Hmm,so if the UK BREXITS does that make it U.S.E.-LESS??

[Unique]

todays the day. if you still haven't made up your mind, clearly the leave campaign haven't convinced you so the best option is remain, as that is the only option that realistically allows us to change our mind in the future. once we are out, it takes 27 other countries to vote us back in whilst once in it just takes our own country to choose to leave

[TeePee]

todays the day. if you still haven't made up your mind, clearly the leave campaign haven't convinced you so the best option is remain, as that is the only option that realistically allows us to change our mind in the future. once we are out, it takes 27 other countries to vote us back in whilst once in it just takes our own country to choose to leave

I disagree. The chances of having another referendum, and of getting out in the future are zero. You'll never have another opportunity to vote leave if you don't vote now. Getting back in would be easy in comparison. Of course, if the country votes to leave, you can expect another referendum next year.

[Corky34]

I disagree. The chances of having another referendum, and of getting out in the future are zero. You'll never have another opportunity to vote leave if you don't vote now. Getting back in would be easy in comparison. Of course, if the country votes to leave, you can expect another referendum next year.

That doesn't mean people can't vote on how much IN-OUT they want in the future, we can/could elect a Eurosceptic government that roles back our involvement in the EU, we could elect a Europhile government that integrates more with the EU, that's something we should've been doing for the last 40+ years (IMO), if there's one good thing to come out of this referendum it's that we (the UK) may actually become more involved with this whole EU thing, that we won't spend the next 40+ years sitting on the side lines glaring across the channel at the EU in disdain, because however the vote goes, IN or OUT, there's no escaping from the effects that the EU has on all our lives.

Lastly if you think getting back in would be easy you're kidding yourself.

[excalibur2]

Well I think I'm right in that all the other EU countries don't want the UK to leave, yet they couldn't all agree on enough bribes for us to stay...they must know what we mainly want e.g. more sovereignty and some control on immigration, and if they agreed to this I'm sure the wind would be taken out of the sails of the Brexiteers.
Anyway I'm voting to leave as if the result is close for Brexit, I'd wager the EU would agree to most demands of the Uk and a 2nd referendum would be called to approve this and would be a clear win for remain.

[Stringent]

Voted before work this morning. Thankfully the rain stopped as I got out my car! The officials seemed chirpy, probably won't last though.

Whatever happens, there is going to be some kind of fallout, and for a while how things would have been better if we had voted the other way.

[cheesemp]

I disagree. The chances of having another referendum, and of getting out in the future are zero. You'll never have another opportunity to vote leave if you don't vote now. Getting back in would be easy in comparison. Of course, if the country votes to leave, you can expect another referendum next year.

Part of the rules Cameron has supposedly introduced is that a new referendum would automatically kick off if we handed brussels more power... So if we remain (which personally I hope for) then we could well have more in the future.