Originally Posted by
ik9000
Don't you see that it's that sort of sweeping generalisation that is undermining any credible arguments you are trying to put forwards?
Once again: The people living in Grenfell did like living there. It was not an open prison, they openly, and happily, talk about the sense of community, and lots of people knew each other and their neighbours. There are tragic stories of people going round to shelter with neighbours instead of just getting out. There are also stories of people assisting neighbours to get out, and knocking on doors to wake people who were sleeping etc - linked in to a criticism of the new alarm systems that didn't wake everyone up (partly by design SFAIK!!!)
Just because a building is old does not make it a prison just because you do not like the architectural style. Just because it is in an estate does not make it a prison. How many estates have you lived on? I've lived on two, with very mixed demographics, both were great (mostly) both in terms of the apartments, and the people. I have to say bar a few bad eggs it was not the horror show I was brought up assuming it would be. You might benefit from trying it too.
Going back to one of your earlier posts, I can also take you to £1m-2m private houses where they had bed bug problems, roaches etc. That is not the reserve of the poor, and like anything, you treat it, deal with it and move on.
Just because you don't like the look of the buildings does not mean the right answer is to tear them down. Given you start by saying we need more houses, the answer is not to bulldoze ones we already have.