Originally Posted by
johnroe
Tosh! What you're obviously not understanding is that all these elements are important; yes the title of the thread is 'cladding', but if you don't understand; the building and continual refurbishment, political decisions that were made. How they were scheduled for demolition, and many have been, but back in 1984, that meant finding new homes for 6 million people. Another political decision in the 90's meant that authorities had to rely on refurbishment and keep using the unsafe blocks and houses.
You're comments on debating make sense. I look at the different opinions of experts, and try to come to some overall understanding of how the UK got into such a mess with it's housing stock, that people are burning alive, trying to escape, and there have been many incidents in these blocks. I was just agreeing with T, as he says he has no interest in the blocks, but has made it clear over several posts, where his concerns about housing lie.
'throw rattle out of pram', I said don't waste your 'kinder garden' level insults at me. No one is picking holes in my argument, if I can call it that, it's an argument put forward by experts(I'm only referencing and interpreting). T is just arguing for the sake of it. I also said I'm not interested people that just post inane comments after my quotes. If he actually had any point to make I'd answer it if I could. If you actually had anything to say. God I long for people that can see through the media hype, and don't just act like sheep.
Your last few sentences must be referring to you. Because like most, I didn't know the complex background behind this case, but now I realise that contractors for decades have been criminal in their procurement of council contracts, criminal in the buildings they supplied which have blighted the lives of many, and criminal in the cladding of Grenfell Tower and the hundreds of others across the country. So to use one of your 'kinder garden' cliches, don't lecture me. Oh I see what the real problem is here; you've made several unfounded statements on which you've based your argument, and now the evidence undermines that, the evidence of people who were actually involved in the construction and renovation. So now you attack the poster, got it!
'I believe in estate regeneration,’ he said. ‘A lot of those Brutalist postwar buildings are not fit for purpose, and our tenants were always telling us that. So I wanted either to improve them or build them again, with guaranteed housing for existing tenants, and with more affordable homes on the same sites'(Feilding-Mellen) from The Tower