Todays society - snowflakes

[Saracen]

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Do I take it you'd like me to change my avatar? I will consider all requests on their merit, but I fail to see why it is a problem to have ....

Well, if I were to ask as an individual, that would be fair enough. But if I were to 'ask' as sn admin, it's really a polite way of suggesting you change it before it's done for you, quite possibly to something you may not be so fond of, and your ability to set an avatar disabled.

I would, of course, consider requests to change it again on their merit.


Of course, I haven't asked you to change it. Yet.

[TeePee]

And now I want Ice Cream again....

[Corky34]

The Tower Effigy Burning Scandal. Should the police be involved?

No.

Now to get back to the really important philosophical questions on ice cream.

Gelato, ice cream or not?

[Macman]

Re: the Grenfell Effigy.

Are we forgetting about the culprits who signed off on the cladding...?

[Ttaskmaster]

The Tower Effigy Burning Scandal. Should the police be involved?

Depends....

Was it sufficiently inciteful as to disturb public order?
If so, then yes, as there's a crime somewhere in all of that, same as there is in public hate speeches and so on.

What they did was utterly disgusting, posting it on the internet was downright stupid

Was it?
I hadn't heard about it myself so did a quick Google...

One outraged poster's remark sprang to mind:
"Effigies are for hate-figures not innocent victims of a national scandal"

Sounds to me the tower (which was the effigy in this case, not the victims) represents numerous failings on the part of numerous entities, from the government right the way down... which would make this a political statement rather than a prank.

"As the flames begin to set the model alight, bystanders can be heard shouting "Help me, help me," while one person mocks the stay-put policy of the London Fire Brigade, saying, "Don't worry, stay in your flat.""
Yep, political statement, social commentary, or similar thing usually the work of students or Guardian-reading vegan activist types.

I haven't seen the video itself, but all the responses of the high-profile responders (May, Khan, police chief Blah) all decrying this as a hate crime, just makes me think this began as a very pertinent and poignant statement that just really missed it's mark and got heavily misunderstood by most people... the fact that the 'pranksters' actually gave themselves up supports my perspective on that.
I expect a statement of apology will be released, explaining it in similar way.

[peterb]

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One outraged poster's remark sprang to mind:
"Effigies are for hate-figures not innocent victims of a national scandal".

I wonder if that poster recognised the irony...

[philehidiot]

Depends....

Was it sufficiently inciteful as to disturb public order?
If so, then yes, as there's a crime somewhere in all of that, same as there is in public hate speeches and so on.


Was it?
I hadn't heard about it myself so did a quick Google...

One outraged poster's remark sprang to mind:
"Effigies are for hate-figures not innocent victims of a national scandal"

Sounds to me the tower (which was the effigy in this case, not the victims) represents numerous failings on the part of numerous entities, from the government right the way down... which would make this a political statement rather than a prank.

"As the flames begin to set the model alight, bystanders can be heard shouting "Help me, help me," while one person mocks the stay-put policy of the London Fire Brigade, saying, "Don't worry, stay in your flat.""
Yep, political statement, social commentary, or similar thing usually the work of students or Guardian-reading vegan activist types.

I haven't seen the video itself, but all the responses of the high-profile responders (May, Khan, police chief Blah) all decrying this as a hate crime, just makes me think this began as a very pertinent and poignant statement that just really missed it's mark and got heavily misunderstood by most people... the fact that the 'pranksters' actually gave themselves up supports my perspective on that.
I expect a statement of apology will be released, explaining it in similar way.

Now that's kinda what I was hoping for - someone to throw a Sabo into my thinking cogs.

As the for the earlier comment about the PM getting involved - she should have kept her nose out if there was any chance of a criminal case being even considered. Silly Doris.

[ik9000]

Well, if I were to ask as an individual, that would be fair enough. But if I were to 'ask' as sn admin, it's really a polite way of suggesting you change it before it's done for you, quite possibly to something you may not be so fond of, and your ability to set an avatar disabled.

I would, of course, consider requests to change it again on their merit.


Of course, I haven't asked you to change it. Yet.

well seeing as I don't have a picture at all I'm a bit puzzled why you'd ask me to change it at this late stage.

Anyway where the heck did this old thread resurface from?

[ik9000]

As for the police getting involved. Poor taste, but not a crime, shame on the MPs and media for hyping it up. Anything to appease the victims of the fire and stop people remembering what a shoddy response the council and government did in helping them. And anything to distract from the fudge-cake farce that is fast becoming brexit. Anything! No, really, anything. Even pictures of ice cream would do right?

[Saracen]

As for the police getting involved. Poor taste, but not a crime, shame on the MPs and media for hyping it up. Anything to appease the victims of the fire and stop people remembering what a shoddy response the council and government did in helping them. And anything to distract from the fudge-cake farce that is fast becoming brexit. Anything! No, really, anything. Even pictures of ice cream would do right?

It very possibly is a crime, under the Communications Act. A lot would rest on proving intent.

[Zak33]

Feasts didn't have nuts on, that was biscuit. Unless they made one with nuts on that I can't remember...

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I've been lying to myself all these years...

Smudger...you are a saviour...Id have gone to my GRAVE thiking they were just cheap nuts with less nutty taste .....



//sigh

[Zak33]

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[Zak33]

//sigh

[Zak33]

https://youtu.be/fHMoDt3nSHs?t=228

think this sums up a whole heap of awesome and it starts at the right place (228 seconds)

[Smudger]

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I've been lying to myself all these years...

Smudger...you are a saviour...Id have gone to my GRAVE thiking they were just cheap nuts with less nutty taste .....



//sigh

Erm, right. Glad to be of service. MAy the light shine brightly on your new discovery...

Had they not been biscuit I would never have been able to savour the delicious chocolate-esque centre, covered with chocolate-type ice cream, covered in chocolate-ish (and biscuit) shell...
Not sure if you can buy Feasts any more though...

[Zak33]

Erm, right. Glad to be of service. MAy the light shine brightly on your new discovery...

Had they not been biscuit I would never have been able to savour the delicious chocolate-esque centre, covered with chocolate-type ice cream, covered in chocolate-ish (and biscuit) shell...
Not sure if you can buy Feasts any more though...

had one in September