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About LinkBacksanyone else see this and just go "cack that shouldn't happen". poor lady, that's no way to go.
clearly the kevlar cowel shroud failed. not good!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340
anyone else see this and just go "cack that shouldn't happen". poor lady, that's no way to go.
clearly the kevlar cowel shroud failed. not good!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340
mother of 2tragic, absolutely tragic.
Indeed. Absolutely tragicOriginally Posted by Biscuit
mother of 2
However I take issue with this statement from a passenger
"We're just all really thankful to be alive right now," he said. "Thankful to God, thankful to that pilot."
WTF thanks god for letting this happen in the first place. How about just thankful to the pilot.
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But - while tragic for th3 individual, air travel is still the safest of all modes of transport. It seems particularly shocking because of the rarity of such incidents, compared with the number of road deaths - which are equally tragic for those involved.
This is the first passenger death in a US airline since 2009.
The question really is how the blade failed and why the debris wasn’t contained within the engine housing.
But full marks to the pilot whose training kicked in to deal with an explosive decompression incident effectively and without further loss of life.
It isn’t clear whether the passenger’s fatal injuries were caused by the shrapnel penetratin*bthe cabin, or being sucked through the window opening - but its a reminder why it’s recommended that passengers keep the seat belt on whenever seated during a flight.
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The pilot was luckily quite experienced and used to fly for the US Navy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43804253
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The CFM56 engine is very widely used in the 737,A320 and A340 and USAF KC135 tankers,but it looks like there was signs of metal fatigue:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-engine-damage
The chances are is that many of us have flown on airliners with that engine(I certainly have).
Looking at the Wikipedia article on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_In...M56#Boeing_737
Seems like there have been situations where the engine has thrown blades,but mostly on earlier models.One issue that led to accidents with the CFM56-3C engine was the failure of fan blades. This mode of failure led to the Kegworth air disaster in 1989, which killed 47 people and injured 74 more. After the fan blade failed, the pilots mistakenly shut down the wrong engine, resulting in the damaged engine failing completely when powered up for the final approach. Following the Kegworth accident, CFM56 engines fitted to a Dan-Air 737-400 and a British Midland 737-400 suffered fan blade failures under similar conditions; neither incident resulted in a crash or injuries.[66] After the second incident, the 737-400 fleet was grounded.
At the time it was not mandatory to flight test new variants of existing engines, and certification testing failed to reveal vibration modes that the fan experienced during the regularly performed power climbs at high altitude. Analysis revealed that the fan was being subjected to high-cycle fatigue stresses worse than expected and also more severe than tested for certification; these higher stresses caused the blade to fracture. Less than a month after grounding, the fleet was allowed to resume operations once the fan blades and fan disc were replaced and the electronic engine controls were modified to reduce maximum engine thrust to 22,000 lbf (98 kN) from 23,500 lbf (105 kN).[67] The redesigned fan blades were installed on all CFM56-3C1 and CFM56-3B2 engines, including over 1,800 engines that had already been delivered to customers.[5]
In August 2016 Southwest Airlines Flight 3472 suffered a fan blade failure, but landed later without further incident. While the aircraft sustained substantial damage, there were no injuries.[68]
On April 17, 2018, Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 suffered from what appears to be a fan blade failure, debris from which punctured a window. The Boeing 737-700 landed safely, but one passenger was killed and several were injured.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 19-04-2018 at 10:26 AM.
Wasn't that passenger a Pastor? Kind of his job to mention the big man.
Slightly technical write up from yesterday:
https://arstechnica.com/information-...el-fatalities/
Sounds like they were at least lucky to have one hell of a pilot up front.
I wonder how much telemetry the engine had enabled on the engine. On such a finely balanced set of rotors it might be possible to detect one stressing just before it breaks, but you thankfully don't get many engines letting go like this so there probably isn't a lot of data to analyse. I gather modern jets generate vast mounts of data in flight, though possibly not on budget airlines like this.
Perhaps I am being a little bit ignorant, but I would expect almost all pilots to have coped in a similar situation. It's why they are paid a lot to handle eventualities like this and is one reason we still keep them rather than just go full autonomous (which it is anyway most of the time).
I went to school with someone who last I heard was an airline pilot. He was really intelligent, got a first in mathematics from Cambridge and a lot of musical talent. I have also met someone who was a US navy fighter pilot like she was. They don't let just anyone land military jets onto a moving ship, just the ones that are quite unflappable, and you could sort of tell. I know which one I would prefer at the controls.
Thank you god so much for killing a mother of two!
(do they ever think that they might be thanking the wrong team?)
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very tragic
oh here we go. The warped logic that says "God can't exist because bad things happen..." Why not? A defective design that led to the engine fan blades having repeated problems, aviation safety warnings regarding limiting the engine torques to reduce the fatigue stress cycling, etc etc. Yeah, sure God is to blame for man stuffing up his engine design, and then choosing to still run them. When was the engine last serviced? When were the fan blades inspected? The NTSB has already identified fatigue failure - which those engines are already known to be prone to. God does not claim to offer a perfect happy life in this world - he never claims to come and make everything hunky dory - and given how people dismiss Him at every turn, frankly, why do they then whinge as if He owes them anything? The number of people who reject Him because they want to live their own way, then at the same time complain why bad things happen puzzles me. It seems a rather contradictory position. It's like Greeks not paying income taxes then complaining their public services are poor and imported goods cost too much.
When Jesus is asked why disasters happen (Luke 13) the people assume the victims were getting payback for things they had done. His response is the opposite: "those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." He makes the point accidents happen, and the outcome is not to blame the unfortunate people it happens to, but to weigh up if you were the victim, are you ready to meet your maker? In short and to paraphrase the subsequent chapters in Luke (worth a read if you have time) his point is "this life is temporary. Eternity awaits, choose wisely." At no point, nowhere, does God ever say life here will be hunky dory and go off, ignore God, do as you please, and nothing bad will ever happen ever again. Why do you expect otherwise?
Last edited by ik9000; 19-04-2018 at 11:39 AM.
It's the thanking bit I'm talking about.
If you believe in god, that he lets bad things happen due to free will, why the fornication would you thank him when the bad things that are due to free will happening? It's pants on head retarded.
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Why are other people's religions such a factor in this? God gave everyone free will, including whoever did not spot/deal with the metal fatigue.
Besides, there are far more toad deaths to be angry with Him about... Think of the poor toads!!
yeah I spotted that and had a chuckle. I'm betting that is swipe-keyboard fun. My phone is always garbling things for me. Drives me mad.
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