What would "No Deal" mean for you?

[adidan]

Has there ever been a worse bunch of venal, hypocritical, selfish, incompetent, self-serving MPs than we have now?

To quote the yout of today: Worst MPs EVAH!

At least no matter what you, I, or anyone else thinks about Brexit I think we can all agree on that.

Clouds, silver lining and all that

[adidan]

At least they get a nice three week break over Christmas, i guess we could all do with a respite from what seems like constant demagoguery, it's not like anything important is going on.

I think the Queen should come down to Parliament and beat them back in there with a bejewelled Royal handbag.

[Ttaskmaster]

Has there ever been a worse bunch of venal, hypocritical, selfish, incompetent, self-serving MPs than we have now?

Has it ever been anything but a bunch of venal, hypocritical, selfish, incompetent, self-serving MPs, like we have now?

Could be worse, though - http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/arts-blog/f...ents-all-time#

[adidan]

I see at least the EU have made a few contingency plans for us.

12 months UK flights are allowed in, but not around, the EU
9 months road haulage allowed without permits
12-24 months of recognising derivatives trading...

Oh an UK Citizens residency rights should be approached generously, so long as the UK do likewise. That all depends on the individual countries though, the EU doesn't impose what they do contrary to what some people may think.

So, as expected, in this Brexit fiasco it's the EU citizens in the UK and the UK citizens in the EU (many of whom couldn't vote btw) will be the ones taking the brunt.

Nothing on medicines though. Some Financial services but medicines, nah.

[TeePee]

I see at least the EU have made a few contingency plans for us.

12 months UK flights are allowed in, but not around, the EU

For anyone wondering 'in but not around' is a fairly standard concept. It's why you can fly to Newark on BA, but then have to switch to an American Airlines plane to connect to Westchester. (J/k, don't go to Westchester). It's called 'cabotage'. Flights inside a country are typically, mostly, only flown by airlines registered in that country.

[peterb]

Oppressive EU regulation that we - our MEPs and government - had a large role in bringing to fruition. This is what annoys me, the attitude seems to be that the EU imposes loads of rules on us - the fact is we helped shape these rules, our MEPs voted on them (I think adidan quoted how many times we were on the 'winning' side, ie we agreed with the rules). The fact is these Euro rules are no different from laws handed down by our own parliament. We elect our MEPs - by PR, not FPTP, they go and vote on rules, they come into force. You could argue it's more democratic, because no one entity has a majority, so can't force through rules/laws.

Or opt out of those rules where they may not be in the UK's interest (not that Vacuum cleaner ower would e an example, but that should be something for the UK to decide. But because no one has a power of veto, the "one size fits all" with regard to regulation prevails.

Has there ever been a worse bunch of venal, hypocritical, selfish, incompetent, self-serving MEPs than we have now?

ftfy

[Smudger]

ftfy

Considering a lot of them are UKIP, no...

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...fits-1-5749285

[adidan]

It's called 'cabotage'

Internet points for word of the day.

[Ttaskmaster]

Internet points for word of the day.

I like it - It sounds like something kids do to avoid being fed greens by their parents!!

[Corky34]

Or opt out of those rules where they may not be in the UK's interest (not that Vacuum cleaner ower would e an example, but that should be something for the UK to decide. But because no one has a power of veto, the "one size fits all" with regard to regulation prevails.

Can i put my hand up for opting Doncaster out of those UK rules that may not be in Doncaster's best interests? IMO it should be something for Doncastrians to decide.

[Saracen999]

I see at least the EU have made a few contingency plans for us.

12 months UK flights are allowed in, but not around, the EU
9 months road haulage allowed without permits
12-24 months of recognising derivatives trading...

Oh an UK Citizens residency rights should be approached generously, so long as the UK do likewise. That all depends on the individual countries though, the EU doesn't impose what they do contrary to what some people may think.

So, as expected, in this Brexit fiasco it's the EU citizens in the UK and the UK citizens in the EU (many of whom couldn't vote btw) will be the ones taking the brunt.

Nothing on medicines though. Some Financial services but medicines, nah.

Well, no. The EU announced contingency plans for them, not for "us". As per their press release,

...

Today's package includes 14 measures in a limited number of areas where a "no-deal" scenario would create major disruption for citizens and businesses in the EU27.

The measures announced protect, as stated, EU27 citizens and businesses. It's hardly their job to protect UK citizens, after we leave.

Which is why the NHS has been taking steps on medicines. As the Health Secretary pointed out a few days ago, when he went into Parliament, he didn't expect to become the world's largest procurer of refridgerators .... but has. And for items not amenable to refridgeration, or where it won't help, like radioactive isotopes, charter aircraft have been contracted in case there are road delays. That has been done by, and rightly, the UK gov't.

The big remaining qusstion, IMHO, is what the attitude and approach of the EU will be, pist-Brexit?

They have no incentive to bend over backwards to help us for the sake of helping us, BUT any reasonable, pragmatic approach suggests that neither do they have an incentive to punish us. Will they go out of their way to be spiteful? I see no reason to exoect that, either.

Many of those measures effectively put a very limited "transition period' into effect, where it is in their interests, and by the way ours, to keep things running smoothly while giving time for permanent arrangements to be made. It's nowhere near as broad as the transition in "the deal" but it does allay some of the more extreme 'Armageddon' scenarios that have been suggested, like that "planes won't fly".

In the event of a no deal departure, what we cannot expect, and won't get even if we do expect it, is all (or, unless agreed, any) of the benefits of membership.

If we leave, we leave.

However, there are many areas where it is mutually beneficial for two geographically close but independent countries with an otherwise good rekationship to work to mutual benefit.

What we, the UK, can reasonably expect is to be treated with the decency that any other friendly 3rd party country would expect.

Cases in point :-

1) We treat their citizens here well, they do the same for our citizens there.

2) UK visitors to the EU wont need visas, but when their like ESTA-like program comds in, we will need a €7 / 3-year travel document .... just like other 3rd party countries. We, as an independent nation, can decide to do similar, or not.

3) EU truckerswant access to dtive in the UK, just as UK truckers want access to drive in the EU. A pragmatic approach is some form of mutual recognition, which is why those EU measures put in place a breathing space to get it done,

Those measures really are just recognising where some legislatoon will be required to effect a 'transition' period, strictly time limited, to counter "cliff-edge" effects because it is in their interests .... and coincidentally, ours too.


While we shouldn't expect favours from Brussels, dods snybody think they'll sacrifice their interests just to punish us?

I don't expect favours, but I don't expect them to cut their nose off to spite us either.

[Corky34]

....what the attitude and approach of the EU will be, pist-Brexit?

Best keyboard slip of the year.

[directhex]

Sent my green card paperwork off to the company lawyers today. No regrets on taking the safer, more certain path. Also, the forum does NOT handle ZWJ emoji well.

[TeePee]

Which is why the NHS has been taking steps on medicines. As the Health Secretary pointed out a few days ago, when he went into Parliament, he didn't expect to become the world's largest procurer of refridgerators .... but has. And for items not amenable to refridgeration, or where it won't help, like radioactive isotopes, charter aircraft have been contracted in case there are road delays. That has been done by, and rightly, the UK gov't.

There's a great memory, I used to fly a Glowflight every night in the Pacific Northwest about eight years ago. It was a pain loading those 96lb lead lined boxes. (I remember the number specifically!). You want them as far away from the cockpit as possible (time and distance), yet inside the Aft CG limit. Lot's of Hazmat paperwork and difficult mathematics calculating Ti values (basic addition at 4am). From what I recall, there is a large facility in the UK that manufactures them, just outside of Amersham, so the EU will be very interested in helping if we're exporting.

[TeePee]

Sent my green card paperwork off to the company lawyers today. No regrets on taking the safer, more certain path. Also, the forum does NOT handle ZWJ emoji well.

Congratulations fellow countryman! From what I recall, you had left the EU prior to the Brexit vote and, of course, before The Donald. I'm glad you decided to stay, this is a land of opportunity! This is a place to raise a family, have a career and retire. I wish I could tell you that in 2020 we'll have intelligent, moderate and forward-thinking candidates and a fair election, but that might be asking too much. Like most Americans, I'm glad to welcome another immigrant!

[Saracen999]

Best keyboard slip of the year.

/picky mode on

Technically, touch-screen slip. Or at best, virtual-KB slip.

/picky mode off

But I take the point.

Note to self - watch for spoiling misteaks.


EDIT - Thinking about it, I will leave it to reader's imaginations to decide exactly how it's mispelt.

Hint - One option is what I meant, the other is an approach the government hasn't tried yet ..... as far as I know. Maybe they should. It might help.