Boris is Boss

[Zak33]

92k votes vs Hunt's 46k votes

[OilSheikh]

Congrats PM Boris.
Now, deliver Brexit for us. May just wasted a few years pointlessly. You need a man to do some things, not a woman.

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[Tumble]

*seals up seekrit bunker*

[Kanoe]

Congrats PM Boris.
Now, deliver Brexit for us. May just wasted a few years pointlessly. You need a man to do some things, not a woman.

I'm not sure it's about man v woman. It's more you need a decent majority instead of calling a general election that reduces it to practically nothing and then needing to please 10 people in N.Ireland constantly to get anything important done.

I don't see much changing with a different PM. Prove me wrong Boris!

[ik9000]

oh fork it.

(I'll let this go, just this once (admin) )

[Saracen999]

Congrats PM Boris.
Now, deliver Brexit for us. May just wasted a few years pointlessly. You need a man to do some things, not a woman.

Agreed on wasting years, but on that last point, I can only think of one thing a man can do that a woman can't and .... as far as I know .... it's got nothing to do with Brexit

And, arguably, the problem with delivering Brexit to date has been more about a Remainer majority in Parliament than the gender of the PM. If anything, May's problem was trying to be too collegiate, too compromising, too much trying to please everybody with the net result of pleasing almost nobody. The problem is, lots want Brexit and nothing less, and lots want Remain and nothing less, and neither are up for compromise. There is no squaring that. May didn't seem to get that you can annoy Brexiteers, or you can annoy Remainers, or you can wishy-wash about in the middle and annoy both. Of which, she did an admirable job.

Can PM BJ do better? Renains to be seen. But he at least talks a good game of taking a very different approach.

[adidan]

Congrats PM Boris.
Now, deliver Brexit for us. May just wasted a few years pointlessly. You need a man to do some things, not a woman.

Boris backed May's 'deal'.

[azrael-]

My heartfelt condolences...

Although tbh this was a lose/lose proposition to begin with.

[adidan]

My heartfelt condolences...

Although tbh this was a lose/lose proposition to begin with.

Couldn't agree more. A bad choice of two, chosen by 150k voters to lead a minority Government.

Inspirational.

[Spud1]

He could at least have got a hair cut, or combed it.

The past 4 years have been the worst in british politics that I can remember....admittedly i'm only 34 so my memory doesn't go back that far in relative terms. A disastrous decision to call an advisory referendum on EU membership, followed by a totally incompetent conservative government unwilling to either follow through on the result or put a stop to it, made worse by an equally incompetent opposition party (with their own batpoo crazy leader), followed up by the same incompetent conservative governemnt electing a clown as their leader and therefore our PM.

There really is no good way out of this now that I can see happening. We just have to really hope for a general election later this year before Boris takes us out of the EU with no deal, Labour replacing Corbyn just beforehand and the eventual result being a Labour/Lib Dem coalition government to sort this mess out.

Unlikely to happen though. Sadly i can see Boris remaining as PM until he drags us out of the EU with no deal, before we finally get a GE and then labour win and cause even more damage by trying to nationalise anything that moves and thinking that spending money we don't have is the way to dig outselves out of this hole.

Thoroughly depressing imo. Best not to think about it and enjoy the sunny weather!!

[Ttaskmaster]

Oh just paint him orange and be done with it.....

[opel80uk]

Agreed on wasting years, but on that last point, I can only think of one thing a man can do that a woman can't and .... as far as I know .... it's got nothing to do with Brexit

And, arguably, the problem with delivering Brexit to date has been more about a Remainer majority in Parliament than the gender of the PM. If anything, May's problem was trying to be too collegiate, too compromising, too much trying to please everybody with the net result of pleasing almost nobody. The problem is, lots want Brexit and nothing less, and lots want Remain and nothing less, and neither are up for compromise. There is no squaring that. May didn't seem to get that you can annoy Brexiteers, or you can annoy Remainers, or you can wishy-wash about in the middle and annoy both. Of which, she did an admirable job.

Can PM BJ do better? Renains to be seen. But he at least talks a good game of taking a very different approach.

Yeah, he talks a good game, but in reality, he doesn’t have the numbers in Parliament to do anything different to May, and the UK in general doesn’t have anywhere near the negotiating power with the EU required to obtain anything extra from what has already been agreed in the withdrawal agreement. My guess is that it will become apparent pretty quickly that he is an impotent PM who is unable to command at home, let alone assert himself in Europe. Coupled with the fact that a PM shoehorned in like this (see Brown, May etc.) will not unreasonably have to answer questions regarding their legitimacy, then I think we’re looking at a GE relatively soon. That, or he’ll become a de facto remainer pretty quickly.

[opel80uk]

Boris backed May's 'deal'.

Hesseltine said of Boris:

"he waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me’.”

I think it sums up his political career perfectly.

[Smudger]

They say we get the politicians we deserve. We must have been very bad.

A man whose antics, in anyone else, would have him booted out the door before he could get anywhere near the leadership contest, is now our Prime Minister. His comments and actions that would be career-ending once upon a time, are brushed off with "oh, it's just Boris", he shags up his hair again and we carry on as before.

[Saracen999]

Couldn't agree more. A bad choice of two, chosen by 150k voters to lead a minority Government.

Inspirational.

Well, we do have a party system, and party leaders are elected (at least sonetimes) by party members. We, the people, never directly elect the PM, even if we docgave a GE.

As for the 150k, remind me again, when Labour in-fighting and back-stabbing forced 3-time winner Blair out, how many voted for Brown as leader ..... and therefore PM?

And yes, it's a minority government. But it has more of a mandate than a Corbyn-led Labour, who couldn't get a majority even with a tory party in turmoil and disarray in the afterwash of Cameron's referendum result and a disastrous May-led GE campaign.

Looking forward, Brexit has to be solved and resolved. Somehow.

How? No deal exit? Nobody, or very few, actively want that, but getting a decent deal is not in our gift It requires the EU too. And, so far, their position is that the ONLY deal is the one that's been rejected, three times, by both leavers and remainers in Parliament.

An amended deal? Perhaps with a modified backstop that isn't a permanent straight-jacket? That might well get past Parliament here, but at least fir now, EU say no. When it comes to modifying that stance, maybe they will, maybe they won't but if the do, it'll be last minute and ONLY if the alternative is no deal at all.


Final option is no Brexit, and that, of course, is what the EU really want but it flies in the face of a referendum result and the manifesto positions of both major parties at the last election. It would also bugely undermine any remaining faith in the notion that this is any form of democracy and while the referendum may not have been legally binding, it was one that the official, well-publicised and official government position was that the result will be implemented. No if's, no but's, they WILL implement the result.

And we all know what that result would was ... even if a couple of percent short of half voted the other way. So is that "democracy" now? Ignore the majority because the minority don't like it?

Inspirational.

[sammyc]

As with Trump, the blame partly or largely, depending on your pov, lies with those who helped him get here https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...up-journalists

"Johnson is the spawn of two institutions – Eton and Oxford – that, at least in his day, taught men to assume that they were going to be in charge; of what scarcely mattered." Absolutely the vibe you get from Boris.