Is this something that normally happens here?

[Salted,8]

I made a post that I thought important and gives what I think is important evidence towards an important subject and people claim firstly that i’m ‘trying to get traffic to my site’ which is absurd because it was medium.com, one of the largest article submission sites on the internet whilst someone else brazenly without a single shred of actual knowledge claims it to be a ‘wordpress website’ another absurd statement.

Only for someone else to make claims that the content of the article was bias in any shape or form aside from the places where I had clearly stated they were my options and the thread gets closed before I can answer any questions and defend the article.

Is it honestly general civility to allow people to make such absurd claims and then not give the op an opportunity to defend it.. that so just so wrong!

[ik9000]

you have a handful of posts. It's one of the telltale signs of spammers. New account, min posts, start linking to other sites. From what I've read you didn't try to explain your argument in any threads here, just link to something elsewhere. I'm not sure what else you expect people to do tbh. If you feel unfairly treated raise it with the site owners, but they employ good mods and admins and I imagine will back them to the hilt.

Also some context you might not be aware of: there have been several CV19 threads that have been locked in recent weeks. I wouldn't take it personally. They all descended into stalemate and got more and more bitter tit-for-tat and less and less, what's the word, reasonable. Another thread on it is just reigniting the embers again. Notice your link wasn't removed - that would usually happen for outright spammers so I think the mods have given you benefit of the doubt but nipped the thread in the bud before it can get out of hand.

[Salted,8]

I wasn’t out for an argument, I don’t get anything for posting that article, I am here because I build pc’s and every now and then may need a little advice and also have some very specialist skills I could share too.

I can understand the dubious nature of links to other sites, but this is a massive site where I get nothing, it must’ve been fairly obvious that since that’s the case, all it is, is information I believe people need to know because incitement to panic seems to be a theme with the current government with this and this sort of information is being actively wiped from places like youtube for example despite being from professors, scientists and doctors.

[scaryjim]

Hi Salted,8 - I've not seen the specifics of the case you're asking about here, but I can give you some background that might be useful.

Hexus has long been a very attractive target for spammers: we've generally got a high turnover of new content, so we consistently rank highly in google searches. There are a lot of automated systems in place to catch and filter spam before anyone even sees it - and those systems do a very good job, incidentally - but there's inevitably some that gets through. There's also a fairly low tolerance for nonsense on here - for instance, we don't really attract fanboys in any direction, and brand-based discussions on Hexus tend to focus more on the relative benefits of each architecture, rather that the "<brand-name> suxxors" level of discussions you might see elsewhere.

As a result of this combination - popular with spammers, and a community with a low tolerance for nonsense - some of our members will have a certain lack of patience with some kinds of content. We encourage Hexus to be largely self-moderating, but it sounds like in this instance there was a concern about your motives that might better have been served by judicious use of the "report to moderator" button - which is available on every post, after all.

We'd like the community to be welcoming to new members, and if you've found that's not been the case I'd like to apologise on behalf of the mod and admin team.

[philehidiot]

CV19

COVID? COVID?!

How DARE you! It's a PLOT! A PLOT I SAY!

Now TAKE THAT BACK!

Now you mention it, I see what you mean about arguments.

[Salted,8]

Thank you scaryjim

I am entirely aware of the issues surrounding large forums as I was once the lead administrator of one of the largest web design forums that existed around 10 years ago (webforumz.com - around 50k memebers, around 20k active), I entirely understand, I appreciate the response, i’m not going to push this out further, I just wanted to add that there were accusations within the thread that I would’ve liked a chance to defend myself against, that by no means does not mean that I don’t understand entirely why a contentious subject like that would be locked (I even pointed this out in my initial post stating that I hope it was ok to post it).

As I replied above, I have some unique skill sets that could contribute to this forum, I’m a graphic/web designer by qualification and a vfx/3d compositing artist taught by people at the top of the industry (they worked on movies like caspar and roger rabbit, Steven King’s bookcover designer), i’m only breaking into hardware (building pc’s) due to the lockdown so of course I may have an alternative motivation to try to get back to what i’m best at.

[Saracen999]

I wasn’t out for an argument, I don’t get anything for posting that article, I am here because I build pc’s and every now and then may need a little advice and also have some very specialist skills I could share too.

I can understand the dubious nature of links to other sites, but this is a massive site where I get nothing, it must’ve been fairly obvious that since that’s the case, all it is, is information I believe people need to know because incitement to panic seems to be a theme with the current government with this and this sort of information is being actively wiped from places like youtube for example despite being from professors, scientists and doctors.

I'm sure that you are very welcome for both contributions and seeking help on technical matters. It is, after all, what this forum is for.

You'll also find more than a few people more than willing to discuss (or argue) the subject matter off the article you linked to. Well, usually. I suspect we may be sufferring from a bit of Covid overload at the moment. A better approach might have been to have briefly set out your central assertions from that article, and referenced the article for a more detailed analysis. Assuming people here 'bit', you'd end up with an intense debate.

The problem with the post, IMHO, was that it appeared to fit perfectly into the "if it looks like duck, has webbed feet and quacks" category that we have seen oh so many times. Hence the ... ummm ... rather jaded reaction. I guess this is the exception that proves the rule. The thread profile perfectly matched those that, many times over many years, have been precisely people trying to drive traffic to another site for various purposes of their own.

Which I guess proves we need to be less jaded and more careful in jumping to conclusions .... even if the jumping was correct the last 500 times.


As a direct answer to your question, what happened is a normal reaction to spammers. The mistake was .... you aren't one.

So, personally, I went and read the article. My reaction was to find a few claims asserted as fact wihout finding sufficient evidence to convince me they were. On many subjects, I'd probably be one of those right up for a detailed dissection of your theme and making you work at it to justify your claims. But on Covid, i'm afraid I'm bored to tears, mainly by more or less 24/7 coverage on TV, and especially radio (which is where most of my attention has been focused) for 2 months or more. But maybe others aren't quite so bored.

So after an unfortunate start, welcome to HEXUS, and I hope you spend long enough here to find out that, most of the time, we're a friendly bunch and generally love a good but friendly argument.... as long as it's not about Brexit, or Corbyn and Labour, both of which have been known to get out of hand.

[g8ina]

My turn to apologise.

I closed the thread for reasons stated above, we do get a LOT of attacks, by spammers and trolls, and to post that as your first post was flagged by the system.

We had had a lot of contentious posts recently about CV and we as admin took a stance of "nipping it in the bud" so to speak.

I realise that as a newbie this may have seemed a bit high handed, so yes, mea culpa.

Welcome, I hope *I* have't put you off HEXUS too much

[Salted,8]

Humbled guys.. thank you very much, I’m obviously not excusing myself from fault and I love debate, no matter what the opinion, I’m not after agreement, I’m after a challenge of narrative, whether mine or the governments.. I believe that someone who disagrees is not an enemy, they are simply a friend you can have interesting conversations with.

Lastly, I am absolutely aware of the faults within the article, it was hurried, I missed a lot and there was an agenda, not a hidden one though, the agenda was to counterbalance the extreme one sided narrative from the media and government to create a balanced debate so it had to be the total counter. Obviously someone reading it wouldn’t be aware of that, it was the result of physical evidence I gathered up in very early April, a mixture of libertarian and rational objectivist viewpoints and psychological analysis (which isn’t referenced so can seem off-the-cuff) - it was a rushed article as the result of an ideological objection towards the action government has taken.

your comments were fair, but if we were to discuss certain structures and subsets of ideas, I’m sure we would’ve found common ground in many of them.

[ik9000]

Humbled guys.. thank you very much, I’m obviously not excusing myself from fault and I love debate, no matter what the opinion, I’m not after agreement, I’m after a challenge of narrative, whether mine or the governments.. I believe that someone who disagrees is not an enemy, they are simply a friend you can have interesting conversations with.

Lastly, I am absolutely aware of the faults within the article, it was hurried, I missed a lot and there was an agenda, not a hidden one though, the agenda was to counterbalance the extreme one sided narrative from the media and government to create a balanced debate so it had to be the total counter. Obviously someone reading it wouldn’t be aware of that, it was the result of physical evidence I gathered up in very early April, a mixture of libertarian and rational objectivist viewpoints and physiological analysis (which isn’t referenced so can seem off-the-cuff) - it was a rushed article as the result of an ideological objection towards the action government has taken.

your comments were fair, but if we were to discuss certain structures and subsets of ideas, I’m sure we would’ve found common ground in many of them.

Ah the sweet innocence of the new member. Give it five threads of locked horns with certain folk on here and you'll quickly realise that there are some who seem to find delight in being objectionably obstinate, or should that be obstinately objectionable? Whatever. Welcome, and enjoy the debate, but when the fun stops remember to just walk away (from that thread, and if needs be the computer for bit too).

[Salted,8]

Ah the sweet innocence of the new member. Give it five threads of locked horns with certain folk on here and you'll quickly realise that there are some who seem to find delight in being objectionably obstinate, or should that be obstinately objectionable? Whatever. Welcome, and enjoy the debate, but when the fun stops remember to just walk away (from that thread, and if needs be the computer for bit too).

, I have a twitter account that is used for minor debate, i’ve never got emotionally tied to one yet, but I think i’ve probably annoyed a fair few myself.

[Saracen999]

.....

your comments were fair, but if we were to discuss certain structures and subsets of ideas, I’m sure we would’ve found common ground in many of them.

Very likely, I'd think.

[Kalevavni]

Hmm, I have a similar message. Perhaps you need to reconsider its subject for compliance with the rules!